tunes Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I read the SIB final message...wow. this, read it yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napoleon_Tanerite Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 read it today... "wow" didn't even do it for me, just a shake of the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 Saw it today.... Twice. Agreed. The message is bad...the animation is horrific. Can't stop thinking about it. Godspeed to the crew, and heartfelt condolences to the families. I encourage every aviator on this forum to find a way to access both, share them w/your sq bros, talk about it, and most importantly, learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHS17 Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 The message is bad...the animation is horrific. I think I know what you mean, but I would clarify the contents of the message and animation. I thought the animation was well put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 I think I know what you mean, but I would clarify the contents of the message and animation. I thought the animation was well put together. Yes, very well put together. Trying to relay how I felt after watching it w/out compromising any PI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercster Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Saw the actual footage the tower recorded of the mishap. That coupled with the audio track was almost too much. The silence in the room was quite palpable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-21.Pilot Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 Saw the actual footage the tower recorded of the mishap. That coupled with the audio track was almost too much. The silence in the room was quite palpable. Saw the same thing on Friday. The last 2-3 seconds of "audible" was quite disturbing. I hope the family never hears/sees. Definitely a learning tool....haven't seen the animation yet. Don't think I'm going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM. Similar issue as I am out of the normal channels. If anyone has a link or other method please PM and I will provide a .mil address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I know its important to protect those involved & the families, however I don't know why it has to be such a secret to AF pilots. Aren't we supposed to learn from past incidents? Even if that means viewing the animation/audio/PACAF presentation. I just don't get it when someone looks bewildered or asks "Why do you want to see this?". Because I am an AF pilot & want to make sure accidents don't get repeated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 I know its important to protect those involved & the families, however I don't know why it has to be such a secret to AF pilots. Aren't we supposed to learn from past incidents? Even if that means viewing the animation/audio/PACAF presentation. I just don't get it when someone looks bewildered or asks "Why do you want to see this?". Because I am an AF pilot & want to make sure accidents don't get repeated! I have seen this go back and forth in the safety world. Every pilot needs to see this, I don't care what you fly or flew. The HD video and CVR/FDR are not privilege. So, when the AIB finishes they will be release publicly. No one should have any trouble getting the final safety message, if you are your safety guys need to be reminded what their job is. The safety office is not a vault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck17 Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 That sucks. If you have wings, you need to at the very least be able to READ this report. That being said, the AIB is due out in the next 1-2 weeks. Be thankful you didnt/couldnt watch the HD video with the CVR and animation... Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 Be thankful you didnt/couldnt watch the HD video with the CVR and animation... It's usually the sucker-punch to the gut when seeing such stuff that makes a lasting impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 There but for the Grace of God go I ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hueypilot812 Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM. If you're a military flyer, you can see it on the basis of using it as a learning tool for mishap prevention. It's not like it's classified info. The SE folks should know that. I work at our SE shop and I'd show the vid to any flyer who may operate an aircraft in the future. It's worthwhile watching simply from the shock value. The findings from the SIB sink in real quick after seeing the video. Same problem. My safety guy can access the preliminary report and narrative, but looked bewildered when I asked for the PACAF presentation and media. If your SE shop says they can only get the prelim and narrative (doesn't make sense because the prelim only states factual, non-priv stuff), PM me and I'll tell you what he needs to do, provided he has access to AFSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techsan Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I remember hearing the CVR w/animation of the C-21 crash up @ Ellsworth. The converstion in the cockpit sounded like any given local that you'd be on until the mishap. Definitely had its shock value, and definitely made a lasting impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crew Report Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Definitely had its shock value, and definitely made a lasting impression. This one will also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleRattle Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Our squadron just received the SIB information about this with corresponding HD video and animation... just like other people have said, the word WOW doesn't even come close to describing the emotions we all felt (during both the first and subsequent viewings). Hopefully, this will serve as a learning tool for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident. Edited November 11, 2010 by xaarman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky_king Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 How does this not apply to 135 pilots? Fuck, it applies to ultralight pilots. That's fucking stupid. This really pisses me off and I'm not even there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrodgsxr Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident. He's probably just lazy and doesn't want to ask the SE center to send the videos. If he actually watched it he would realize the lessons to be learned apply to ANY flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) Did you mean to say "a fucking squashbug penguin winged nav?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old crow Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident. Welcome to Offutt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crew Report Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 The Wing Chief of Safety (a Nav) at Offutt has decided that this does not apply to 135 Pilots and will not release it to the biggest wing in ACC. Shame, looks like we could all learn a lot from this accident. Lack of CRM and following rules doesn't apply to RC guys? Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopyeast Posted November 11, 2010 Share Posted November 11, 2010 Lack of CRM and following rules doesn't apply to RC guys? Good to know. It's Offutt. Logic doesn't apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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