Lord Ratner Posted July 15 Posted July 15 1 hour ago, FourFans said: What aircraft do you fly? Are we playing the you're probably not even a real pilot game? I'm the only non-anonymous pilot on this forum, you can do a search 😂🤣 1 hour ago, FourFans said: Literally no one here is saying they should have continued. We're saying that this happened so fast and most likely outside the view of the pilots that by the time they saw anything they could not have reacted fast enough. Most likely is that the pilots were completely dependent on comms from the ground/ops/or plugged in ground crew while this was happening You are making wild inferences. Stop being a spaz. Inferences? A quick review: 12 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. The passengers will survive the 30 seconds of darkness as you wait for the Apu to come online, and aside from saving a life, you may be saving a whole lot of people a whole lot of trauma from seeing something most people can't handle seeing. Now, point to the part where I said this was the fault of the pilots in the video? It's nowhere. The follow-up: 11 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said: Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown. Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. Another inference: 6 hours ago, FourFans said: He's making the point that if the pilots had toggled the engines as soon as that guy approached the plane it would have made no difference given the time-span of this event. Aside from being incorrect (it was 15 seconds into the video when he jumped in. That's a loooooonnnggg time for engines to spool down), its irrelevant. Is it better to keep them running, or is it better to shut them down? It's not always a lunatic with a death wish. Sometimes it's a ramper holding a couple chocks, or an over eager bag-thrower who didn't realize the engines are still running because the cooldown hasn't elapsed. You gunna wait to see if he keeps walking towards the engine because "Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown?" 6 hours ago, FourFans said: Stop trying blame pilots for things they can't control. Again, please point to the part where I blamed (or made any reference at all to) the pilots in the video? 3 minutes ago, Pooter said: I think you're the one fixated on being "technically right" brainstorming a perfect hypothetical pilot reaction in a scenario that lasted a grand total of 26 seconds. I don't know how you do ground ops but I don't spend the entire time craning my neck to check my 5 and 7 o'clock on the off chance a suicidal spanish drug addict decides today is the day he's going to swan dive into one of my engines. Perfect hypothetical pilot reaction? If "turn the engines off if someone is approaching them" is perfect in your book, then I guess I must be Chuck Yeager. 6 minutes ago, Pooter said: Yes, if you see a crazy spanish man running towards one of your engines, probably shut it down. Look at that, you agree with me. So what is with all the commentary? I never made a promise that shutting down the engines will guarantee survival. I did however point out that you are an idiot if you think it matters. If anyone here can spell out a scenario where it's safer to leave the engines running "if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be," I'm all ears. Or is this just because I said mean things to disgruntled? He's a big boy, he can take it.
FourFans Posted July 15 Posted July 15 (edited) ...or just continue being a spaz...your call Edited July 15 by FourFans 1
disgruntledemployee Posted July 15 Posted July 15 15 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: The follow-up: On 7/14/2025 at 11:55 AM, disgruntledemployee said: Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown. Neat. This is like saying you might as well not hit the brakes if you're going 120 knots with 1000 feet left to the end of the runway on a long landing, because you won't stop in time. Sure, it's sorta true. But it's also stupid. No, it's like saying engines keep spinning around and a round. It's not a Vitamix. They don't immediately stop when the gas is shut off. Even a stiff breeze can get the fan spinning quite fast, maybe enough to cause deadly injuries. Maybe you know this, maybe you don't. Bud, the forum has spoken. No need to go full tard on this. Brakes? Really?
Hacker Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Over the last 25 years I've been on this forum, I thought I'd already read the most inane and pointless chaff possible. (checks Baseops and reads this thread) Ope, I guess not. This is the low-water mark. Carry on. 4
uhhello Posted July 15 Posted July 15 Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here. Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed. Only way this is getting solved. 2 1
Biff_T Posted July 15 Posted July 15 (edited) 6 hours ago, M2 said: No me gusta. This also sucks: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/post/worker-dies-getting-trapped-machine-tinas-burritos-factory-vernon/17114124/ Edited July 15 by Biff_T Afterthought
brabus Posted July 15 Posted July 15 27 minutes ago, uhhello said: Only way this is getting solved. Or a super drink off, bunch of amateurs around here! (Spoiler, the first round will be too close to call) 1
Smokin Posted July 15 Posted July 15 27 minutes ago, uhhello said: Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here. Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed. Only way this is getting solved. This might be the first time I've agreed with @disgruntledemployee, but I've seen a 10 knot wind make the engine windmill enough during the walk-around that looked to me like it could cut off an arm. Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP. Your eyes are 95% inside on the ground if you're not moving. Absolutely 0% chance that I'd notice someone running towards the engines and think "I bet they're going to commit suicide, I'd better shut the engines down just in case."
Lord Ratner Posted July 16 Posted July 16 3 hours ago, uhhello said: Need one of you airliner guys to do some scientific work here. Need times from cutoff to non lethal fan speed. Only way this is getting solved. You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons!
Biff_T Posted July 16 Posted July 16 23 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: You get a plane, I'll bring the watermelons! This may help: https://www.gsaauctions.gov/auctions/preview/321142
uhhello Posted July 16 Posted July 16 Hear me out here. Lets just give the tower or ground crews universal fuel shutoff switches to aircraft engines. Every guy on the line and in the tower has kill switch app on their phone. Problem solved. 4
Boomer6 Posted July 16 Posted July 16 4 hours ago, Smokin said: Also, it's not a fighter in an ACM CAP. 2
TreeA10 Posted July 16 Posted July 16 No idea where this jet was in the movement process such as arrival or departure but let's assume it just pushed back. The crew is listening to the ground push crew (it does not appear anyone was on a headset with the crew but there are Bluetooth set ups now) and ramp or ground control. Unless one of those two entities told the crew that a lunatic was approaching the aircraft with the intent to throw himself into an intake, the crew had 0 visibility under the wing or close to the fuselage and had no idea this guy was there. Hard to react to a threat you never saw. 2
Lord Ratner Posted July 17 Posted July 17 22 hours ago, TreeA10 said: No idea where this jet was in the movement process such as arrival or departure but let's assume it just pushed back. The crew is listening to the ground push crew (it does not appear anyone was on a headset with the crew but there are Bluetooth set ups now) and ramp or ground control. Unless one of those two entities told the crew that a lunatic was approaching the aircraft with the intent to throw himself into an intake, the crew had 0 visibility under the wing or close to the fuselage and had no idea this guy was there. Hard to react to a threat you never saw. The funny thing is, no one has said they should have. Or that you should be looking for it. Or that in this instance they would have seen the guy. Or any of the things that precipitated the shift towards "stop blaming pilots!"
Lord Ratner Posted July 17 Posted July 17 On 7/15/2025 at 10:12 PM, uhhello said: Hear me out here. Lets just give the tower or ground crews universal fuel shutoff switches to aircraft engines. Every guy on the line and in the tower has kill switch app on their phone. Problem solved. That's kinda impractical. What if they left their phone in the break room? Better to use AI. "Hey Siri, shut down the left engine!"
uhhello Posted July 17 Posted July 17 19 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: That's kinda impractical. What if they left their phone in the break room? Better to use AI. "Hey Siri, shut down the left engine!" We have to deal in reality. Siri integration can come in later versions.
disgruntledemployee Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) Cool.... some AI listening and doing shit in an airplane because someone said it out loud. What could go wrong... Edited July 18 by disgruntledemployee Sarcasm font used
uhhello Posted July 17 Posted July 17 2 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said: Cool.... some AI listening and doing shit in an airplane because someone said it out loud. What could go wrong... There is always at least one 3 1
FourFans Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) On 7/16/2025 at 3:34 PM, TreeA10 said: Hard to react to a threat you never saw. 6 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: The funny thing is, no one has said they should have. Or that you should be looking for it. Or that in this instance they would have seen the guy. Except you actually saying that. On 7/14/2025 at 11:24 AM, Lord Ratner said: A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. Edited July 18 by FourFans
Lord Ratner Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, FourFans said: Except you actually saying that. Let me help you, again. On 7/14/2025 at 12:24 PM, Lord Ratner said: A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, *if* you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. Are the herc flight manuals in picture book form? Edited July 18 by Lord Ratner 1
Pooter Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: Let me help you, again. Are the herc flight manuals in picture book form? 3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: Let me help you, again. Are the herc flight manuals in picture book form? I think the problem stems from how asinine and obvious your debrief of the whole situation is. “Just shut down the engine if you see a guy trying to dive into it.” yeah no shit sherlock, THEY DIDNT SEE HIM It’s like telling the person who just hit a deer on the highway in the middle of the night “hey man hit the brakes earlier next time and you won’t hit a deer” Sick thanks dude, I’ll be sure to see the thing I couldn’t have seen sooner next time
Lord Ratner Posted July 18 Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Pooter said: I think the problem stems from how asinine and obvious your debrief of the whole situation is. “Just shut down the engine if you see a guy trying to dive into it.” yeah no shit sherlock, THEY DIDNT SEE HIM It’s like telling the person who just hit a deer on the highway in the middle of the night “hey man hit the brakes earlier next time and you won’t hit a deer” Sick thanks dude, I’ll be sure to see the thing I couldn’t have seen sooner next time Sigh. On 7/14/2025 at 12:24 PM, Lord Ratner said: A friendly reminder to any airline pilots here, if you look out the window and see someone approaching the plane when they shouldn't be, just shut the engines down. The passengers will survive the 30 seconds of darkness as you wait for the Apu to come online, and aside from saving a life, you may be saving a whole lot of people a whole lot of trauma from seeing something most people can't handle seeing. On 7/14/2025 at 12:55 PM, disgruntledemployee said: Engines don't exactly stop on a dime with shutdown. Alright bud. Enough of this dead horse.
Lord Ratner Posted July 18 Posted July 18 (edited) Don't send dick pics to famous people or don't send dick pics if you're famous? "How you gonna send a bitch some crooked dick pics then threaten her not to tell," Banks wrote alongside the screenshots. "N***a do you know who the fuck I am? This is HARAM... LIke how are you really going to sexually harass me with the potato farmer dick then threaten me not to tell???? Honey..... ain't u trying to be the president of Ireland what is it giving fam? Use some fucking suncreen damn." 🤣😂 Edited July 18 by Lord Ratner
FourFans Posted July 18 Posted July 18 Well. This is the WTF thread. So...Lord Ratner as the next Democratic nominee? He's demonstrated all the appropriate debating skills.
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