Would be awesome if the government's response is basically, "yeah, that makes sense, we agree".

Break break:

That firearm for the Inn-n-out shooting is interesting. Anyone have a silencer on their EDC? I guess it wouldn't be too big of a deal for an off-body carry or truck gun. Also, depending on the round and the silencer, it might give the good guy a few extra chances of hitting his target before the active shooter realizes he's being engaged and from where, especially since his ears are likely ringing from the first few shots.

5 minutes ago, Smokin said:

Would be awesome if the government's response is basically, "yeah, that makes sense, we agree".

Break break:

That firearm for the Inn-n-out shooting is interesting. Anyone have a silencer on their EDC? I guess it wouldn't be too big of a deal for an off-body carry or truck gun. Also, depending on the round and the silencer, it might give the good guy a few extra chances of hitting his target before the active shooter realizes he's being engaged and from where, especially since his ears are likely ringing from the first few shots.

It makes all the sense in the world. That being said, I would never ever do it.

You don't want to be in front of a jury having used a gun that is anything but a normal, boring gun. No punisher decals, no quippy phrases, and no "scary" accessories.

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

The ruling gave the government a 7 day stay to respond...next week is going to be very interesting.

Guess we'll see how 2A friendly our current administration is with regards to an appeal. One thing I've noticed is governments HATE to give up power no matter who's in charge. Prosecutors like to keep statutes like these on the books to hold over certain defendants to coerce please deals.

Edited August 6Aug 6 by fire4effect

4 hours ago, Smokin said:

Would be awesome if the government's response is basically, "yeah, that makes sense, we agree".

Break break:

That firearm for the Inn-n-out shooting is interesting. Anyone have a silencer on their EDC? I guess it wouldn't be too big of a deal for an off-body carry or truck gun. Also, depending on the round and the silencer, it might give the good guy a few extra chances of hitting his target before the active shooter realizes he's being engaged and from where, especially since his ears are likely ringing from the first few shots.

I have an internally suppressed SBR in 5.7MM, picture is back a few pages. It is a HOT round, I think the threshold says it is good to penetrate NIJ Level II and Level IIIA. I love it, compact and light. Made by a local guy (https://spartacmfgn.com/), who has a contract and is making a bunch for the Secret Service. He told me for the same weight of 1000 X 5.56 you get 1400+ rounds of 5.7MM.

The interesting thing t me about the event was the length of that pistol...seems tough to carry concealed?

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I have an internally suppressed SBR in 5.7MM, picture is back a few pages. It is a HOT round, I think the threshold says it is good to penetrate NIJ Level II and Level IIIA. I love it, compact and light. Made by a local guy (https://spartacmfgn.com/), who has a contract and is making a bunch for the Secret Service. He told me for the same weight of 1000 X 5.56 you get 1400+ rounds of 5.7MM.

The interesting thing t me about the event was the length of that pistol...seems tough to carry concealed?

Might need to break my ammo simplicity rule AGAIN and buy yet another round....

I'm guessing either he wears unusual clothes to hide it or he just keeps it in his vehicle. Looks like he's wearing a vest in the video, so that would make it easier.

42 minutes ago, Smokin said:

Might need to break my ammo simplicity rule AGAIN and buy yet another round....

I'm guessing either he wears unusual clothes to hide it or he just keeps it in his vehicle. Looks like he's wearing a vest in the video, so that would make it easier.

I think as long as you're willing to buy a bunch of guns, which obviously most of us are, 5'7 is a cool round to add. I loved the pr-57 from Kel-Tec, and they have another cool gun that uses p90 mags. The round is finally catching on and unlike so many others, it offers something unique ballistically to add to the collection

10 hours ago, Smokin said:

Would be awesome if the government's response is basically, "yeah, that makes sense, we agree".

Break break:

That firearm for the Inn-n-out shooting is interesting. Anyone have a silencer on their EDC? I guess it wouldn't be too big of a deal for an off-body carry or truck gun. Also, depending on the round and the silencer, it might give the good guy a few extra chances of hitting his target before the active shooter realizes he's being engaged and from where, especially since his ears are likely ringing from the first few shots.

Dude was probably coming back from day out shooting and grabbing a tasty burger and milkshake on the way home

Well the stay of the NFA ruling expired...lets see if DOJ/ATF saying anything about making this nationwide.

26 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Well the stay of the NFA ruling expired...lets see if DOJ/ATF saying anything about making this nationwide.

Pressing to test

The decision does not apply to everyone nationwide for the time being. It applies to the specific plaintiffs in the consolidated cases Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF and Jensen v. ATF, along with certain affiliated entities.

From the Silencer Shop Foundation case:

• Silencer Shop Foundation

• Gun Owners of America (GOA)

• Gun Owners Foundation

• Palmetto State Armory

• SilencerCo Weapons Research

• B&T USA

• Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition (FRAC)

From the Jensen case:

• Texas State Rifle Association (TSRA)

• Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA)

• FPC Action Foundation

• Hot Shots Custom, LLC

The injunction also includes these plaintiff states:

• Alaska

• Georgia

• Idaho

• Indiana

• Kansas

• Louisiana

• Montana

• North Dakota

• Oklahoma

• South Carolina

• South Dakota

• Texas (God bless!!)

• Utah

• West Virginia

• Wyoming

The ruling concerns NFA registration and approval requirements for:

• Suppressors (silencers)

• Short-barreled rifles (SBRs)

• Short-barreled shotguns (SBSs)

• "Any Other Weapons" (AOWs) in certain portions of the case.

It does not eliminate NFA regulation of machine guns or destructive devices.

However, the sources I found do not say that every person residing in those states are automatically covered simply because they live there! One legal analysis specifically notes that coverage depends on whether a person falls within a protected category under the injunction, such as a member, customer, agency, or other covered party.

In short, the organizations directly affected are current and future members and customers of GOA, Gun Owners Foundation, TSRA, FPC Action Foundation, CCRKBA, Silencer Shop Foundation, Palmetto State Armory, SilencerCo, B&T USA, FRAC, and Hot Shots Custom, plus their members and customers as specified by the injunction.

14 minutes ago, M2 said:

The decision does not apply to everyone nationwide for the time being. It applies to the specific plaintiffs in the consolidated cases Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF and Jensen v. ATF, along with certain affiliated entities.

Yet...

15 minutes ago, M2 said:

It does not eliminate NFA regulation of machine guns or destructive devices.

In short, you will still have to abide by the Gun Control act which will require a background check to purchase. A good step in the right direction.

7 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Yet...

In short, you will still have to abide by the Gun Control act which will require a background check to purchase. A good step in the right direction.

There's another danger. The ruling is based entirely off tax collection. And as everybody knows, our taxes are done through the incredibly fuzzy process of reconciliation.

Unless something is done to modify or repeal the NFA, Democrats will only need to reinstate a $1 tax on short barreled rifles and suppressors to put them right back under the NFA.

Now, 2 years of unrestricted sales of these firearms would do a lot to make it less likely to change back, but the ruling is only useful if it is one step in a continuing process of deregulation.

5 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

There's another danger. The ruling is based entirely off tax collection. And as everybody knows, our taxes are done through the incredibly fuzzy process of reconciliation.

Unless something is done to modify or repeal the NFA, Democrats will only need to reinstate a $1 tax on short barreled rifles and suppressors to put them right back under the NFA.

Now, 2 years of unrestricted sales of these firearms would do a lot to make it less likely to change back, but the ruling is only useful if it is one step in a continuing process of deregulation.

As the process now cuts both ways I'm trying to imagine a prosecutor who would bring a case that can be undone every time there's a reconciliation. Hopefully ATF will issue rules that say they're no longer bothering to enforce the NFA for suppressors and SBRs at least at the federal level. Crazy times.