Daniel Defense 300 BO. 10.3. Handy "pistol". Also 5.56 upper 14.5 inch upper like my trusty M-4 from the military. My helpful household hint is keep all 300 BO in black mags and the 5.56 in the FDE mags so I don't mix them up.

32 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

Daniel Defense 300 BO. 10.3. Handy "pistol". Also 5.56 upper 14.5 inch upper like my trusty M-4 from the military. My helpful household hint is keep all 300 BO in black mags and the 5.56 in the FDE mags so I don't mix them up.

I also am 300BO in the house, 5.56 in the truck gun. A few pistols and a 45-70 (mostly for immediate predator issues) are also around the house. Big “2” on the mag marking between calibers. I use the rubber bands personally. Saw a guy put 300BO in a 223…ouch.

14 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

So you are saying there is a chance....I used to think that it would never happen, I live in a nice place, very low crime, one or two murders a year that are almost always domestic...until six months ago when we had a home invasion robbery about a mile away. I would rather prepare for the worst and be wrong than have it happen and be unprepared so I invested a little time and effort to at least think about it.

I said what I said :) Miniscule chance but I'm prepared. I shoot for enjoyment and competition. My home defense weapons are the guns I use most as I'm the most comfortable with them. Have a pretty ideal setup house wise for whoever decides to enter the castle if that miniscule chance comes to fruition.

16 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I have of all thinking a Beretta M-9 (I can hear the laughs), in a fingerprint lockbox under my bed. I can roll out of bed and open the box within .69 seconds. I have big hands and the M-9 is a big gun, so easy for me to grip. For some reason I can drive nails with that gun....drives me nuts but I am more accurate with that than any of my other pistols. Maybe all that USAF training paid off?

If I make to my office and my big safe then it is on like Donkey Kong.

I don't know about the hate. I drove nails with that thing. Bigger and heavier than the .38 it replaced but I liked it.

3 hours ago, brabus said:

I also am 300BO in the house, 5.56 in the truck gun. A few pistols and a 45-70 (mostly for immediate predator issues) are also around the house. Big “2” on the mag marking between calibers. I use the rubber bands personally. Saw a guy put 300BO in a 223…ouch.

Dude, sounds like we need to hang out, that's pretty much my exact setup, minus the 45-70. My pred guns are both Ruger American; 556 for coyotes if they get too close to the house, and a 308 on the off chance a lion wanders onto the property (sitting in the dining room in case a kid sees it first).

For hiking and archery hunting, I carry a 9mm for black bears and lions. Some may think that's under-gunned, but along the lines of the previous post on quality ammo, the 9 has Barnes copper bullets. Those things are legit. I recovered one bullet that went through the front shoulder blade (intentional shoulder shot as the vegetation was crazy thick and trailing would have been a nightmare) and the bullet was fully intact including picture perfect petals. Plus I'm probably getting 3 rounds into a charging animal with a 9mm vs 2 with my 45 (my sidearm for grizzly territory).

I now have the 10mm (hardcast lead) for the back country pistol - know two guys who escaped griz death using those. Good enough for me. My father in law shot a charging black with a 5.56. Way less than ideal cartridge, but it was enough to stop the attack. So a 9mm with Barnes should do just fine!

23 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

What did you get in 5.7? I got that wretched PR57 from Keltec and love it, so now I have to start looking at more 5.7 options. The PSA uzi-looking gun they are developing sure looks fun.

We have a local manufacturer (Spartac Manufacturing....Any Old school SERE survivors remember the name Spartac? ). Their production facility is amazing and they now have a contract with the Secret Service. I picked something close to the picture below (still waiting on Form 4 to process after 15 days), will post pictures and report performance soon. The handling was amazing, perhaps the most balanced gun I've ever held. The suppressor is integrated so it is very compact (hence the Secret Service interest).

Doing some research on 5.7x28, some interesting characteristics. One the good, you can carry 1400 rounds for the same weight and volume as 1000 5.56. 5.7x28 typically achieves much higher velocities (1,700-2400+ FPS) comapred to 9MM (950-1400 FPS), resulting in a flatter trajectory and better armor penetration. While 9mm relies on heavier bullets (115–147 gr) for higher energy transfer, the 5.7x28mm (40 gr) excels in speed and low recoil. Garand Thumb did an interesting video looking at 5.7x28.

If Spartac’s guns are as effective as I remember his open-hand slap, I’m in.

23 minutes ago, brabus said:

If Spartac’s guns are as effective as I remember his open-hand slap, I’m in.

I knew someone would remember! I was in great shape when I went through, 6'2" 220. That dude grabbed the towel around my neck, dead lifted me with his arms straight out and shook me like a rag dog.

2 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

We have a local manufacturer (Spartac Manufacturing....Any Old school SERE survivors remember the name Spartac? ). Their production facility is amazing and they now have a contract with the Secret Service. I picked something close to the picture below (still waiting on Form 4 to process after 15 days), will post pictures and report performance soon. The handling was amazing, perhaps the most balanced gun I've ever held. The suppressor is integrated so it is very compact (hence the Secret Service interest).

Doing some research on 5.7x28, some interesting characteristics. One the good, you can carry 1400 rounds for the same weight and volume as 1000 5.56. 5.7x28 typically achieves much higher velocities (1,700-2400+ FPS) comapred to 9MM (950-1400 FPS), resulting in a flatter trajectory and better armor penetration. While 9mm relies on heavier bullets (115–147 gr) for higher energy transfer, the 5.7x28mm (40 gr) excels in speed and low recoil. Garand Thumb did an interesting video looking at 5.7x28.

I suspect the 5.7 round will be similar to 9 mm, where it is poo-pooed by the shooting world for years and then suddenly enough interest is put into it, and enough research that some incredibly effective and tuned rounds are developed.

I think the 30 years of poo pooing is about over, and now that all of the manufacturers are releasing their own 5.7 guns, we're going to get the ballistics improvement that 9 mm experienced once it was widely adopted.