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This might be an area were those of us in disagreement can have a constructive conversation if we all assume the best of each other. I’ll start: no I do not think mask mandates are some weird DOD mind control experiment. I think DOD bureaucrats are doing what all bureaucrats do: curry favor and survive by knowing which way the political winds blow. I also don’t think masks have an appreciable difference on the spread of Covid. We can disagree about how the statistics read, but when I look at numbers & spikes worldwide that is my opinion. Let’s not bother debating it, we probably disagree, just realize I hold that opinion in good faith. so what is my answer to your question? I think the mask debate is a giant distraction in order to divide us against each other as a population. divided, we’re all at each other‘s throat‘s about who’s fault these episodic spikes are. And none of us are able to look up and give the obvious answer about who’s fault it is: the Chinese and the idiot scientists at NIH. Our government accidentally funded a Chinese military bio weapon that was released on our population. Think for a moment about the implications of that statement. And then realize nobody’s doing anything about it, we’re all busy talking about whether or not third graders should wear one mask or two and yelling at Floridians for wearing none. The Chinese are loaded with cash. They have bought our media, many of our politicians are in their pocket. These are not fringe conspiracy theories. What do we do? World War III? That’s not going to happen. An FBI investigation of NIH or some kind of bi-partisan origins probe would be helpful. But none of those things are going to happen either, and is there any good reason why not? I think our adversary, the Chinese, are deliberately waging information warfare against us. The CDC and NIH are focused on the small shit and these smalltime debates because they are complicit in the origins of this pandemic. Whether you agree or not, many people have a good reason to believe there is some weird ass hypocrisy going on: Americans are being blamed for choosing not to vaccinate their children By the same people importing Covid positive illegal immigrant children. Church in CA = jail but BLM riots are encouraged to stop the “white supremacy pandemic.” “Scientists” are saying these things, I mean seriously what the fuck? Every mandate and piece of information is suspect coming from people obviously playing politics. You’re a smart dude, tell me honestly d you not at all understand why rational people have serious reservations about what’s happening and are hesitant to just shut up and obey?

Just to be clear, you are calling people with three page vaccination sheets who do not want this particular experimental vaccine “anti-vaxxers?” And you are calling the huge number of Democrat voting minorities electing not to receive the COVID vaccine “Trump supporters?” Do you think those with natural immunity should be forced to vaccinate? Do you think it makes you sound smart to falsely label people? Or is name-calling just a sad outlet to vent frustration in lieu of cogent thought? I am vaccinated, still got COVID, and am 100% against forcing my kids to get this injection. There are idiosyncrasies here that should be considered rationally.

What makes you think any of us will be able to take our masks off?

Irony is a two-way street: lots of people wearing pussy hats and screaming about a women’s right to make her own choices regarding abortion (despite what the father thinks) who are now 100% good forcing an injection into women concerned about second order fertility effects. Disgusting. I like the red herring spear at bible thumpers. As if they had anything to do with this conversation. Some people just love tyranny, and hate debate.

Good point. The “trust the data” position was undermined early in the pandemic. The same scientists who I’d normally trust were telling me Trump political rallies were super spreader events but then signing letters saying BLM riots were ok. Data indicates kids not statistically significant spreaders but we have to cancel schools when the teachers union edits the CDC talking points. “This definitely developed naturally” turned into a total hoax as the scientists were discovered to be behind an attempt to hide the origin in a lab in China they were donating to. These aren’t conspiracy theories, all of these events above happened. When data originates from people caught lying, their additional data is suspect. This is why Fauci’s “noble lie” approach is so damaging. We are the most advanced and scientifically minded society to have ever existed. That we’re back to telling each other anecdotes is not a sign we’re idiots, but rather the scientists should have stayed in their lane of science.

Yes, I’m convinced the vaccine has an effect. Clearly I chose to get it. What exactly the effect is and why it differs between people I don’t know. Ergo I’m opposed to mandating my children receive it. And folks telling me my experiences are “false” is unproductive.

UK reporting 40% of COVID hospitalizations are from double vaccinated. Maybe we can at least agree that more is going on than headlines reveal, and more data with less censorship will help the public be informed. ”your actual experience means nothing because I have government figures indicating otherwise” has proven to be an unconvincing tactic. But I see you will continue using it regardless.

I’m fully vaccinated and recently tested positive. Also, everyone of the positives we’ve had recently have been fully vaccinated— I can see the vaccination status of my members. There has been a peculiar phenomenon during this entire pandemic: people like you certain that things are true or false without actually knowing at all.

Looks like we’re not totally done out there.

Being vaccinated is no obstacle to having and spreading COVID. All of our recent positive cases are fully vaccinated. The whole thing is a charade.

Why on earth would you believe that? This far into the pandemic no amount of capitulation to public health demands has resulted in decreased demands. And since “everyone” includes immunocompromised and day old infants who can’t get the shot, your new demand is impossible.

If ever there were a subject which should engender bi-partisan agreement it should be this: make China pay for unleashing this shit. Unfortunately we cannot agree on even that.

Valid. Good discussion.

For discussion purposes only: I don’t agree with that sign. As a practical matter, ask the WC-130s. As a philosophical matter: How can you know where the real edges are in combat if you never explore them in training? Lot of people out there unwilling to approach a training limit who are simultaneously certain they can react like pros if contingency circumstances required it. They’re wrong.

Refresh my memory— why was Trump impeached by the house in 2019? Because I thought democrat arguments were that illegal WH influence was through implied rather than explicit statements. A fundamental problem in our country is political tribes that justify any behavior from “our” guy while condemning all behavior from “their” guy. This is why Hunter Biden isn’t in jail on felony gun charges. And why the obvious C19 lab leak was hidden, etc. The hypocrisy makes compromise impossible. Which is the goal; how do you guys think this ends?

Just imagine how many books they would write if they had a damn president. And the first half of every state of the union will be about how hard BUDS was.

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Valid, he has nothing on the master of extemporaneous eloquence that is Joe Biden. 🙄

Surprisingly hard when you’re perceived as having sold out & abandoned your allies. Not saying I disagree at all (I don’t). Just saying we’ve made that obvious COA pretty tough on ourselves by encouraging an unrealistic narrative to GIRoA.

Logically I know you’re right. But emotionally, after 10 deployments there, I want to stay and smash every enemy forever. I felt similarly watching the first departure from Balad after 5 trips there. Alcohol with bros will be how many of us cope having spent years of our life doing something that sporadically felt necessary but mostly filled me with anger at endless tactical success but no victory. All while my kids grew up and I stupidly went back. In the end I chose how to spend my time and have no one to blame for my decisions but me. However I will never forgive or respect senior leaders who could not win. Why should any of us believe any of them about the “big shift” and GPC when they’ve lost this one? probably time to wear my veteran hat and move into a camper near the base pharmacy… 🥃 🇺🇸⚔️

Good questions, I’ll have to chew on them. But crushing my freedom to maybe help an obese person have a slight edge isn’t moral or fair. Forcing me to comply with restrictions for the benefit of another who placed themselves at risk is antithetical to freedom and opposite my values.

Are those your only two choices available for understanding Fauci? I can imagine a more nuanced gradation of possibilities; that you cannot is informative towards your understanding of differing viewpoints. The analogy of your child is merely another appeal to authority without addressing the underlying issue or question. You’re using the same trick over and over: mischaracterize the other viewpoint, then mock the mischaracterization. It plays well with folks who already agree with you; how convincing is that logic for those still deciding what to think about these events?

Aside from the Red herring of the phrase “anti-vaxer” to slander vaccinated individuals opposed to mass forced vaccination, you’re also ignoring how much we've been lied to. Why should I trust you on herd immunity when we have Fauci’s emails proving he manipulates “herd immunity” and the definition is subjective? ”we could get to herd immunity in a month if you were reasonable.” ”2 weeks of lockdowns to slow the spread.” ”the vaccine originated naturally not in a lab.” ”there are no safe treatments, that is why our only option is using this experimental vaccine” ”the NIH didn’t fund gain of function research in Chinese military labs.” Those statements are used to shout down questions and dissent. Some have now been proven false. Do you not understand why that calls the others into question? “Appeal to authority” is insufficient to convince people when the authorities lie so much.

Replace “mask” with “reflective belt” and you just became what’s wrong with the Air Force. By the way, neither do anything to keep us safe.

Solid rebuttal! Yes my heart comment was a small bit of hyperbole; but myocarditis, heart failure, and death is real. This thing where you call the other guy crazy to avoid questions & critical thinking worked just fine until the damn on fake COVID info started breaking. Now that approach is less convincing.