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Time to boycott his business. Let him know about it too. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

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Loved watching cross turns when 2 was tight on lead... Well... Here we go again... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Without sounding melodramatic, it can only get better. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

Dice paid the price for his careerism. I know one of his daughter hates him and refuses to talk to him after she left the house. Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy... Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

At least you lived to tell about it? Small victories...

Actually got to chat with a guy from Homestead flying Vipers a couple years ago. He was a full-up heavy guy, T-1s and everything who got picked up. Also flys for a major airline. Super awesome guy. His advice was if you want it go for it. Im no mother Cleo, but I will say I have seen a huge influx of 11Fs rushing KC-135 units due to the minimal requirements to stay current. Most of those guys seem to miss the fighter but have a hard time taking the pay cut to fly fighters in the ANG/Reserves, especially since AD is putting more and more requirements on those dudes to shoulder the deployment load. So only 2 days a month seems like a pretty good deal to them.

Pretty easy to have excess capacity when you take all additional duties and deployments that the T-38 guys were doing and force them on the T-6 guys.

Sorry brother. Our 11Bs were told specifically no. Bombers are hurting just as bad. In fact the email from AMC mentioned crossflow to fighters or bombers.

100% agree. I know that is partially what happened with me. The Air Force can and should do a better job of cleaning up its act. We preach that our people are important by we haven't practiced it in a long long time.

Nothing has been officially decided yet. This is all an AMC led idea to gather data on how many people would possibly be interested so they can present it to the rest of the Generals. At the earliest this will be implemented next year with AF approval.

I'll throw in my 2 cents. Been married to my wife (1st and only) for 10 years. Got married a year before UPT. I was very upfront and honest that I wouldn't have a whole lot of time besides Saturday and half a day Sunday, until I was done with UPT. She actively supported me because she knew it was my dream and she wanted me to be happy. 10 years later, we have been through countless deployments, TDYs and short notice interruptions to our life. She's been a single parent for probably the majority of our youngest kid's life with me being on the road. I think you need to be upfront and honest. Paint her a realistic picture. If she is a keeper, she will stick through it with you. However I have never once put my "career" in front of her. That's not saying that she has always been happy or that it's all been easy and yes there are some things that you just have to do as part of the job. If you have messed up priorities expect to not have the same family you started with when you retire/separate. I've seen it all too many times. Most of those guys leave with a lot of bitterness and regret. The Air Force will one day be done with you, but your family should be with you forever. You have chosen a tough life. Rewarding but tough. Not just on you, but your wife and your kids never forget that.

I partly disagree with this. If you ask any UPT stud if they want to do the airlines maybe 2% will say that is their goal. Ask any Capt/Maj and only about 2% want to stay in. So something is happening between year 1 and 8. I think we would be surprised what some good, top to bottom leadership would do to retention and QOL. For too long the Air Force has taken for granted that their people just had no other options. "You unhappy? Fine, just leave. We will find someone else to replace you." I am not saying that increasing airline pay isn't enticing some to leave, but I would say that the mass exodus to the airlines is really just a symptom of the larger issues that the Air Force has failed to address. I can go into specifics but I think that has been beat to death. The Air Force has successfully turned the best job in the world into something that dudes are jumping over each other to leave... That's hard to do.

At my base they are personally going around to each of us that we're T-38 to MAF guys and asking us if we were interested. I was more than happy to tell my commander: "Boss, 8 years ago, back when I went through T-38s I would of said not only yes, but hell yeah. Since the Air Force has since booted me to AMC and then tried to RIF me twice since then, I am sorry but I don't feel like helping out in this "crisis" they created. I will be 7-day opting any assignment that I get out of here and going to the ANG unit that has already hired me and the civilian company waiting for me. But I 'preciate the offer." Then I dropped the mic and he told me he would do the same thing.

Most of those Lt Cols are the result of the last manning crisis.

I thought we still called that a "civil union", never mind that is just for Eagle guys.

I don't think it's only going to be staff, but I just don't see the majority of these guys getting multiple Ops tours and progressing like a normal fighter dude.

Flying is a perishable skill. I know of Majs and Lt Cols who have washed out of PIT. When we look at their history, due to school, staff, AOC at the Academy, etc... In one case a dude hadn't flown a powered A/C in over 10 years. Now you take a dude with 200 hours who went UPT-RPA and I get it from an IP perspective. As far as the attitude, if it is being pissed off at the AF for their grossly negligent personnel management... Got it, right there with you. If it is a woe as me, I don't deserve this, this flying sucks, I wish I was XYZ, then I have little sympathy really. Just my perspective.

The Air Force isn't looking for fighter pilots. They are looking for 11Fs. The benefit of getting an 11M is that they bring the experience of operating in the system, deployments, MWS experience, exercises, etc. No offense to any of my FAIP friends but they have such a small perspective on what awaits them outside of AETC. I foresee most of these 11M to 11F guys being fodder for staff, ALO, non-flying 11F billets and maybe T-38s/IFF. And as much as it pains me to say it, it makes sense to do it that way. I'm a kick-@ss pilot. Probably the best one I will ever know, but put me in a fighter against dudes that have been doing it for 4-6 more years and 1,000+ hours more and it's going to take time and $$$ to get me caught up... And as a soon to be/pinned on Major, guess what two things the Air Force doesn't want to spend on me? Time and $$$. At least not to get me to be an "expert" in my MWS. Some dudes will get multiple Ops tours but still be behind their peers. Others will get the requirements to call them "experienced" and shuttled off to help the other aspects of being an 11F so that the experienced war fighters can operate the death machines and train the young 2LTs who just signed up for a 15-year post UPT commitment...

I'm sorry, but opening this up to T-1 FAIPs is not even going to dent the problem. Letting MAF dudes go be 11Fs isn't going to fix the problem, giving fighters to every booger eater that goes through UPT certainly won't fix the problem. Poor leadership, poor people management, not truly valuing your people and placing acquisitions priority #1 over your people. Plus for about 3-4 years we almost completely shut the 11F pipeline down. Those year groups would have been your young Maj/Senior Capts/IP types. Now those dudes mostly VSP'd back when they had their 3 opportunities to do so because the AF said "leave, someone will take your place."

Is that like the starting point guard for St. Marys School for the Blind and Death?

From the discussion w/ 19th AF, the ARC wasn't even mentioned. They are planing on opening an additional RTU (F-16, IIRC) and with that I expect those AD RTUs will be shouldering the "fly as long as it takes, screw QOL" load. Crushing the remaining IPs left on AD. I expect maybe they try to pressure the AGR guys into weekend flying and whatnot, but if you think they are going to "pay" for it with cash... Yeah right! Why do that when you can just force all us slaves to work weekends and extra hours.

This was just talked about during the last 19th AF telecon. The jist was "whatever it takes". If we have to force IPs to fly every weekend for the foreseeable future, so be it. That's what will happen. The numbers will work and we will meet the fighter pilot quota. Fence-in boys, it's about to hit the fan.

From what I understand, a couple MC-12 guys were assigned to The Viper via the normal assignment process and a strong push from the Wing/CC, when the AF divested itself from the mission. All the rest were sent to RPAs and UPT.