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After the mother came forward, the AF didn't just go digging. See below - https://www.stripes.com/news/us/wilkerson-had-affair-that-produced-a-child-air-force-confirms-1.225660 https://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/04/25/help_wanted_at_the_pentagon_wilkerson_being_investigated_for_an_extramarital_aff Nobody knew about it until recently, so it wasn't exactly covered up. The woman was disgusted with how it all turned out, also probably with the fact that he was portrayed as some kind of integrity king. Dude should have just opted for retirement right after it was overturned, or did he just forget about this large, and growing skeleton in his closet? It smacks of arrogance, or naivety ,that this wouldn't come back with how public his whole thing is/was.

Vast Minority... genius.

There's provisions for an officer to be retired at the last rank he served honorably if there's been problems.

Well sweet, we've got those too. Has the vending machines, microwave, vision and mission statement and squadron picture from 4 commanders ago right?

Possible correction: I think the promotion was red-lined upon original conviction and/or legal proceedings. Because Gen Franklin in one of the articles was upset Wilkerson wasn't going to have the promotion re-instated. Possible other: Didn't the woman he had the affair with come forward and that initiated the second investigation? I don't feel like reading through all the pages again.

Yea, As I've said before my issue wasn't with the conviction being overturned, I think that was the right call. It was with Lt Col Maj Wilkerson leaving the Gen hanging with his omission of any other things that could get him "in trouble". He could have retired after the overturned conviction and this additional headache, and hit to the integrity of Gen Franklin been totally avoided. Rules pretty clear about last rank served honorably and he's certainly not the first I've seen get popped. I think he's somewhat lucky since he had the affair as a Maj, they could have conceivably dropped him to Capt. I hope this issue is done with, and the damage it caused can start to be repaired. I don't know how it is in your communities, but with my peers/year-group this caused a lot of negativity. BTW - how much would the flight pay have been?

Thank you, and I knew this was somewhat the answer. But I thought, apparently incorrectly, that there would be more feedback among the pilot types to your bosses about who is/is not a leader. I figured around the bar, or debriefs, or whatever that a Sq CC would get the straight info. I've done this in my MSG Sq's and among peers, but I've also been counseled numerous times on a lack of tact. I figured you guys wouldn't have that limitation/concern.

So, as a non-pilot... how is this guy still getting promoted? If he's such a joke/ass to you guys, and you're bros.. why is he where he is? You guys are a small community, you know each other. I'm not trying to ask in an asinine/shoe/douche way. I just have a hard time understanding how a tight knit community has these issues. Isn't there some other O6 who just throws this bastard into the fire? How have his failings in the aircraft not been reflected in some career impacting way? Please note - small community isn't meant in a derogatory manner. I'm also on some good meds currently, so sorry if it don't make no sense. EDIT - Saw the bronze star in medals. Is that.. legit? No "V". Heard other stories on here about terrible circumstances with senior officers trying to get shiny chests.

Wait.. he's part of the problem for pointing out that "fair" is a matter of perspective? Not the people "making it fairer" for themselves (R or D)? Or you just mean all liberal thoughts, and/or thoughts you don't agree with, are the problem? Of course this happened - The GOP changed House rules so only the Majority Leader can bring up bills that would end the shutdown. They removed that privilege from the rest of the Reps. Guess it's a good thing the Senate will get some work done.

Liberals?

FTFY

Part of that Strategery!

Funny, we can't be distinctive in taking care of each other, or the mission, or not being as stupid/ate-up as the other services. Nope. We're distinctive because of the uniform. Seems to me once we switched to the POS ABU things started going down hill fast, and the AF tried to play the catch-up game with the other services over "we contribute/HUA/HOO-RAH". Perhaps if we pull our heads out of our camo asses we can figure out why we're better again. God I hate the ABU. Only good thing is the boots and those still fail at everything but being no shine.

Then please promote it.

Read the article. Rank last served honorably. Same thing happened to Fiscus. He had the affair with proof as a Maj and it's been refereed to some committee. As well all know.. good things come out of committees.

What's the over/under on him getting dropped at least one rank? Just think.. this guy was ID'd as a superstar by his leadership.

A simple survey would take care of all these questions. Do they do one after the ACP closes out for they year to figure out pros/cons of their program? Or am I foolishly hoping someone's using that online Masters?

Should have fired them sooner? Should prosecute them? What could they have done to avoid the appearance of that? Not asking to be a douche, interested in what else they could have done since I'm coming up empty. As I often do.

And here lies the rub: the "something of significance" is going to be some CGO/FGO or Sq CC getting destroyed publicly because they didn't comply with the above memo, or guidance similar to it at another base. If the words weren't STS, 69 (as innuendo) or cranium/head. But instead were negro, or colored would this even be a discussion? Both are offensive to certain, but not all, people. Both required the offended person to submit or be ridiculed further and ostracized. The definition of sexual harassment is clear. I bet your CC's have a policy memo on it alone. I'm going on a limb to say it says 0 tolerance. It doesn't matter if one female is happy to throw it around or not. It's still wrong. What if there's another woman who's not comfortable with it.. now she's got to do it as well or risk not being one of the bros?

Navy Admiral a pompous douche.. lies. One of my Bosses, 29 year Navy O, had the ADM as a CC a decade or so ago and doesn't buy any of this and thinks it's a conspiracy by.. someone, Obama?, to get rid of military leadership that doesn't agree with him. Did he do it, or was it done by Kabul/Leadership? Article is not clear, do you have another source?

Just like the AF Climate survey where rating from "I find this job awful and not rewarding with some fun" to the blue kool-aid swilling brick wall breaking shoe are lumped together.

I can not believe that in 2013 a system this stupid is in place to rate commissioned officers in the United States Air Force. Dear higher ranking members how can you not be clearing this shit up so we get honest, easy to digest feedback on how to improve as leaders, managers and (some of you) warriors? This black magic nonsense helps no one.

As I've said elsewhere I don't have a problem with pilots drinking. i don't drink at all, but I wish we could have a Sq Bar, and a beer light. I think it would be great for our ALL Sq's. Additionally, no the jokes and comments don't lead to sexual assault. I never implied that, or meant to. That's as stupid as saying the "hook up" culture leads to rape. I was trying to contrast what I have seen in my corner of MSG (comm specifically). Comments/jokes do increase the likelihood of someone feeling harassed/reporting harassment. Lived through it, sucked big time. Same thing has been covered in every level of management training (undergrad, make your jokes) and PME. Ugh, I had problems with female Amn saying offensive crap to other female/male Amn. BitteEinBit has had a very different experience. Not sure if it's been Comm centric, which is where all mine has been. Sounds like an interesting environment, hope I get to experience it. I'm just trying to inject what my little bit of the MSG has been like at my bases in regards to this, not trying to take your flight suit. Cool your jets.

Well, in the MSG singing songs of those type, drinking at work at all, or crude name aren't tolerated. Of course there's still the knuckleheads who think calling names/grabbing SrA Yummybritches is ok. Any they get handled, quickly. There's no "that's what she said" or "69" or the "cranium" bullshit. It degrades our fellow Airmen, which impedes our mission. We don't tolerate that shit. I've never had a commander that did. It was understood, and there didn't require a MFR. MFR's are to show that it was briefed and understood, so that after someone does it you can show proof of "leadership" instead of having the offender run to the ADC for help after they get slammed. It's for clarity, if you don't like it, that's ok.

So, This happened - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/strategic-command-suspension-linked-probe-counterfeit-poker-chips/story?id=20413148 "Strategic Command No. 2 Suspension Linked to Probe of Counterfeit Poker Chips"