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If you think that all that's going on down on the border states is "playing catch and release with Mexican immigrants", then you need to come down here actually see what's going on that isn't getting reported in your daily news. There are some persons and threats coming through that are caught, and many that aren't, that would make your head spin. There are situations, engagements, and other scenarios both with military and military-style forces, as well as cartels and other organized factions, where our outmanned and outgunned CBP can't (and in some cases, aren't allowed to) stop them. Come down and see sometime, it would open your eyes a bit. So yes, playing masters of the universe around the world with every problem and situation large and small, shouldn't cause there to be a complete ignoring of the realities of what it slipping through central America and across our own "secured" borders. Without going into SIPR, it's a heck of alot more than just a couple of Mexican immigrants looking for work, that you and many others are under the incorrect and assuming impression of. While I agree with you on not blurring the lines between military and law enforcement to the max extent possible, the military isn't being used for domestic law enforcement; and acting against or being used to counter external threats to this country, shouldn't blur those lines either. Take care of things overseas as-needed. Don't leave the gate to the yard open while doing it.

I'm feeling generous today, so allow me to give you a crash course in logic and reasoning. Clark said this: He literally just asked if any OCONUS mission takes precedence over the border. You know, are OCONUS missions like keeping Iran from getting the bomb, preventing another 9/11, making sure North Korea doesn't start World War 3, shit like that which are clearly much more existential threats against American lives...are those things more important than patrolling a border with Mexico. I said: Because after all, how could someone be in the military for more than 5 minutes without understanding the threats that are out there, and think that it's less important than playing catch and release with Mexican immigrants. You replied with this gem: See, you just made a fucking strawman because you want me to explain a position that I never made in the first place: that protecting other countries is more important than protecting America. I said (paraphrased) that OCONUS missions were more important than playing border patrol, but for some reason, this is equivalent to "protecting other countries". Incorrect, it means that in order to protect this country from bigger threats, we have to do things OCONUS now and then. You realize that we have 2 states and multiple territories that are OCONUS, right? You realize that we have missions that protect America that take place not within the contintental borders? And again you double down on your ignorance: There, you did it again, you immediately jumped to "protecting other countries". No, OCONUS means "outside the continental US". I said that OCONUS missions are more important than border patrol. Among those OCONUS missions are missions that directly protect Americans from much greater threats than Mexico could ever throw at us. But somehow you automatically equivocate all OCONUS missions to protecting other countries without allowing anything else. How do I know this? Because you just said it, right there. You gave an either/or choice, either OCONUS missions are important, or protecting our own country is important. If it sounds like I'm over-explaining this, then I am because reasoning is clearly not your strong suit. If a spec ops unit takes down a terrorist cell in the Middle East planning another 9/11, that is somehow, according to you, protecting other countries over protecting our own country. If the Imperial Japanese Navy bombs Pearl Harbor and we declare war, according to your shitty logic, that is protecting other countries over the U.S. despite the fact that Hawaii is literally the U.S, but because it's not CONUS, then it isn't protecting America. Get it now? I'm not even going to bother explaining how defense treaties, or protecting other countries, actually also protects America, because we're getting into some fairly advanced foreign policy discussion that I'm not sure your "not in my backyard" mind could handle. This is actually a logical position to take, although I still disagree that the illegal immigrant problem requires a military solution (by the way hispeed, this is the "he didn't say any of that" part right here). If you want to militarize the CBP further and increase their budget, then go hog wild. But I honestly don't like the idea of blurring the lines between military and civilian law enforcement. I see nations all around the world with those blurred lines and it usually doesn't turn out pretty. See, this isn't a strawman argument because you stated this logic twice. And now that it sounds fucking absurd, you're backpedaling. Let's all just de-escalate here. You stop posting, and I'll stop pointing out how wrong you are. Let the thread get back on track.

I'm very interested to know too. In reference to the description of containment as a tactic; when it comes to TTPs, the mission of CFR is fairly simple: utilize suppression assets to either 1. Provide for an egress path out of the aircraft for survivors, or 2. Provide a rescue path for FFs to go in and extract those who aren't able to perform item #1. To that regard, actually putting the whole fire out is secondary to rescue; a close second, mind you, but secondary. Of course, this does have to do with larger aircraft and a fire involvement to a degree where spending precious resources fighting the actual fire, will take away from the 2 items I mentioned above. CFR trucks pump at a rate where their onboard supply is depleted in about 1-2 minutes, depending on gallonage and flow rate, and it takes time for the nurse tenders to get setup to replenish the primary CFR vehicles. That's why you see the tactics exercised in the way they are where it appears that its "only" containment. That said, every CFR department trains in what tactics to use for different sized airframes, and every CFR department knows that flexibility is key (or should know). Every accident is responded to with haste consistent with safe arrival of the assets to the scene (more than one of these high-CG CFR trucks has suffered an accidental rollover during a hasty response to an aircraft emergency). BL is, a judgement call will always be made as to whether any post-crash fire can hit fast and put out with the supplies available prior to replenishment, or whether the above described tactics of supporting rescue first, and full suppression secondary, is more appropriate. At an airshow, you can have "backup" or secondary trucks at the station, where the crews are lounging or watching the show or whatnot. However, those would be the structural trucks/crews, as well as the crash trucks which are designated as second-due to a call. That's no issue, and no problem; no different than day to day ops. However, there must still be a first due, and in this case of non-standard flying operations and most especially an airshow, that first due.......at least a rescue truck, and one or two crash trucks........should be posted up somewhere near show center, close enough to have an immediate response, yet not so close as to impede views of the crowd (this is fairly easy to do). While those crews don't necessarily need to be in full ready gear in its entirety, they need to at least be partially bunkered out, to the point where they can easily complete it enroute to the scene and be able to deploy at the ready once handline or rescue operations begin, depending on which unit they're assigned to. The FAA standard (accepted standard) for CFR response on any airport where CFR is required (not required at all civil fields, only fields with scheduled or unscheduled air carrier service meeting certain pax numbers), is within 3 minutes, the first vehicle capable of fire suppression operations must be able to reach the midpoint of the furthest runway from the station. Hence why at larger airports, there are multiple stations. Within 4 minutes, supporting or second-due CFR vehicles are required to be arriving at the same point. Why the response took as long as it did at SUU, I don't have that information yet. In that regard, my concern with this one isn't the tactical planning or ops on scene, it's the strategic planning or apparent lack thereof.

I hope you're like 8 margaritas deep...

Trick question, they're all blue, just like the Kool-Aid.

Never thought I'd see the day where I'd be disappointed for not being RIF-eligible...

we had a prior E AWACS backender in my UPT class....wore his leather jacket on day one and told the rest of us studs we had to earn it.....

I see what you did there...

That's because Navs (by any name) aren't real people. Everyone knows this.

So time for thread split into fy 15 force mgmt? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, because protocol did not support every event and frankly there are very few squadron events that have protocol issues. So between the book and the shirt we could make sure that we were not doing anything embarrassing. Funny thing was that when protocol did have the time and you asked a question it was almost a wag answer anyway. Additionally, many of the issues are in the PDG or an AFI these days. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Are you living/staying on base? If not, there is no reason to give anything to the armory. If you are, only pistols.

Spoiler alert: You are ALL snackos.

Do you realize that you're saying any mission outside the CONUS couldn't possibly protect America? You just completely invalidated our participation in WW2 and OEF. Think about that for a second.

Nice job with the strawman. Actually, I said that our OCONUS missions are more important than deploying the military to patrol the Mexican border. You can't comprehend why international military exercises and cooperation, enforcing freedom of navigation on the high seas, enforcing mutual treaties, fighting and deterring terrorism, and using the threat of implied force and hard power as a deterrent to foreign aggression is an actual thing that the military should be most concerned with? You seriously, as a college educated person and a commissioned officer, don't understand that border patrol is domestic law enforcement, and that the military shouldn't be used for that purpose, because there is a lot more serious shit that we should be concerned with? I expect that from some random 19 year old A1C, but an officer with years of experience lacking that perspective is baffling. The fact that multiple officers on this message board agree is a downright fucking sad indictment of our military.

Haven't been since 'ought three. We wore onions on our belts, which was the fashion at the time.

I would pick Magnolia. They're the newest on base. Parts of state look a little dilapidated. Capitol isn't that bad, but having spoken to others who lived there, I think I had an above average experience. If given a do over, I would take capitol again. Living on base was worth it. Also, Capitol is the prettiest neighborhood as far as landscaping and scenery are concerned.

The Founding Fathers are drinking bourbon and mocking us...how far we have fallen.