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Sadly, the CGOC at FE Warren never completed the Ft Collings Brewery Tour as a group after that (although I lived in Ft Collins and did it many times with friends). I was told that some CGOs from Peterson did go. Some other interesting items from that time Lt Smalley (the one with the anti-drinking rant) was apparently a 35 year old non-prior enlisted Mormon with 4 kids, so his post makes a lot of sense in that context. One of the other CGOs on base called him and talked to him for 10 minutes and then said "i just wanted to waste 10 minutes of your time like you wasted of mine over that email". Overall, I think he faced a lot more backlash than expected and I felt bad for him. 1Lt Megan <last name redacted> did not make it to Capt, from my understanding after her somewhat overly graphic email response (info through the grapevine, no idea if its true) Multiple CGOs at FE Warren had to show up at the Wing Commanders office at 6am in full service dress because they were identified as forwarding the email off base (no one from the Comm squadron, of which I was part of, was identified...almost like the Comm squadron had to do the check and protected their own) I received about 300 emails a week related to the top for the couple month (everyone felt the need to CC me on everything). The email subject line got blocked at the Air Force Space Command NOSC after some amount of time. Our base commander (Col Michael Carey..who was later relieved of command for consuming excessive alcohol and behaving in a manner unbecoming an officer while in Russian in 2013..ironic?) was called in to explain himself to the 20AF 2-Star for his CGO's behavior. One of my friends who was an exec for a general forwarded me an email from the top Air Force general at the time telling all the four stars to "please mentor the young officers on proper email behavior" in response to this email chain. It took a few weeks to hit the enlisted side, the CGOs kept it in house for surprisingly long, then I became a minor celebrity within our own squadron, by this time I was VERY tired of the subject I received a call from a Navy enlisted person in Florida a good 2 months later asking "is this a real thing??" and some Civ in Georgia asking me to "stop the emails"

Probably for the best.

Really, that's rich. Just today Kegsbreath was saying he was the best CINC he's ever seen. Why lie about something so obvious? Have you not watched any of the footage from a cabinet meeting where they kiss up to him as he cat he's a nap? And I get it, Biden was garbage. Agreed wholeheartedly, but you guys and your blinders... They did change their tune, almost overnight. Then Trump lost 2020 (I'm sure some of you think he won because he told you to), and their tune changed again, oh, somewhere around Jan 6th... Unsure why. And then it looked like he was going to make a comeback, and they changed their tune again. As for the Hitler comparisons, I think you guys are forgetting that He didn't start his career out by killing millions of people. There was a slow boil that led to it... We are a laughing stock, the world over. The cabinet, for being all about merit, is full of unqualified lapdogs. The economy is great for people with enough money to invest, but sucks for everyone else. Trump has stopped science dead in its tracks, to the point that it will be almost impossible to catch up to China now. You guys must not believe climate change is a real thing, which, good for you because he's rolled back every measure that made sense to slow it down. Voting rights have taken another major hit thanks to his SC, which he only likes when they rule in his favor. His SAVE act is a thinly veiled voter suppression act, and if it passes Republicans will take the biggest hit since they're the voters least likely to have a passport. We could go on, but I won't waste any more of your time. The narcissistic attitudes in here by what I used to believe we're critical thinkers is mind boggling. OK, I'll go back to lurking for another few years.

Really, that's rich. Just today Kegsbreath was saying he was the best CINC he's ever seen. Why lie about something so obvious? Have you not watched any of the footage from a cabinet meeting where they kiss up to him as he cat he's a nap? And I get it, Biden was garbage. Agreed wholeheartedly, but you guys and your blinders...

Howdy, In the off chance someone reads this, how debilitating really are the neck and/or back issues from the 9G sorties? Every fighter pilot I've spoken to has basically said "yeah my neck hurts but there's ways to manage it and its cool." But one of them has a fused neck. Is it chronic pain and certain cervical degeneration that follows you even after the conclusion of your 10 year stint, renders you incapable of playing with your kids/turning your head fully, and poppin oxys for the rest of your life? Or is it a mild ache that surfaces occasionally throughout life after you're done? I have a 99 PCSM with a PPL, a STEM degree, and some other accolades that are probably not that important. I'd like to make the best use out of my credentials for a rewarding military career, and while I am captivated by the fighter mission (like almost everyone I guess), the thought of turning my head with an effective weight of ~150 lbs bearing down my cervical spine makes me nervous. Currently deciding between pursuing Fighters AD/ANG, or Heavies ANG. I know we all pay a price in one way or another for our passions and professions, but I do enjoy being able to look around at stuff without pain. I appreciate any and all info

Or maybe Vance recognized that he was getting caught up in the same political rhetoric that so many others got caught up in? You know, the one where you compare everyone you don't like to Hitler, even though they haven't systematically eliminated millions based on their religion or ethnicity? Or maybe he made the comment in 2016, when nobody knew how Donald Trump was going to govern? And since then, Donald Trump made very clear his stance on a whole bevy of conservative issues that would appeal to someone like JD Vance. Now, if he had changed his mind in a matter of weeks because of a political appointment, I think you'd have a point. But JD Vance is far from the only person who thought Trump was going to be a catastrophe for the conservative movement, but was proven wrong (me).

i think Vance, like most rational people, witnessed the positive changes in federal policy under “orange nazi” as compared to years of leftist democrat representation. I’ve never heard anybody, except Trump himself, say what a “great man” or “great politician” our current POTUS is. There probably are some who have, but most conservatives recognize hyperbole if and when we hear it, and don’t tend to idolize people.

So, you're saying Vance went from thinking he's like Adolf Hitler to the greatest politician anyone's ever seen? You think it's because of a true change of heart vs political expediency that will benefit his own career? MMmmmkay. That's a serious change of heart... Now do Rubio. Oh, wait, Lindsey Graham. Should we keep going? Until he won, everyone spoke the truth, but then they hopped on his coattails. Or, maybe it was the Art of the Deal, and he sold them all on what a brilliant man he is. That's logical.

Just curious, did anyone happen to find the monkey sex chick? I bet you she's learned some new tricks now that she's well into her cougar years...

Helluva thread revival. I had a flight doc a few years ago basically say, “Umm no, we’re gonna say you drink less than your reply.”

Didn’t know about this little slice of Air Force lore. I have to assume @Biff_T was part of the email chain at some point though?

The open source reporting of potentail F-5 strikes in Kuwait are interesting. They've puled it off before but nothing solid being acknowledged by CENTCOM

Good luck getting the smell out

Naw, my comment is more regarding that doing airline like flying, getting airline like hours, accelerates the path to punch at first opportunity.

Its now called NACHO, Not A Chance Hormuz Opens, per some Bloomberg columnist.

If you don't have a poster, patch, plaque, or mural with the headline of "Ft Collins Brewery Tour" on it, get to creating one. Bonus if you have a caricature of Lt Smalley on there. Break ---- Oh, and as I read the old thread, I remembered my last 4 or so years in the AF when it came to the Med Gp physical beer question. I started answering with 7/week. Not one doc asked anything about it.

Burn it with fire. Sacrilege.

https://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/15529-stop-drinking/#findComment-211382 20 years ago, I was the Lt who tried to organize the Ft Collins Brewery Tour that started this email chain. The email itself made my life very dramatic for about 3 months but luckily, I never got in any trouble because of it (the DD mention at the bottom really saved me). They say this stuff never disappears from the Internet, but this is the only reference I can still find. Still my biggest claim to fame in the Air Force, good times (or bad for a lot of people, ha).

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A Cut Above!

@Day Man Great clip. Textbook example of putting ego aside and updating viewpoints when new information is presented/previous information is invalidated. Also textbook example of being man enough to admit when you’re wrong and moving forward. Hope everyone took a good lesson learned out of that self-debrief! I’m sure you did…

Hey everyone! My name is Brian and I am an Air Force helicopter pilot. I know, we are a rare breed, but we do exist. I got tired of trying to log my flights and keep up with a paper logbook or excel sheet, and of all the logbook apps out there none of them met my needs for military flight logs or they charged too much money. So I created my own logbook app! I have it up for beta test on Apple's TestFlight right now and would like to offer it up for anyone to try. Once I get enough feedback I'll put it on the App Store too. It's free, and I plan to keep the core functions free forever. This is a passion project for me, so please share in the spoils of my work. All I ask in return is honest feedback and suggestions. https://flightopslog.com/ Happy flying! -Brian

Thanks a lot @Lord Ratner , now I have to buy another gun and a FRT. My wife might kill me after the last 12 months of gun-related purchases - worth the risk.

is that a buzzsaws shirt?