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Who is denying that? It's in the name. You are not called being called out for describing them as pro-israel. You're being called out for giving them a completely unjustified amount of power in your mind. This is exactly like when liberals bring up the NRA Boogeyman, as though the NRA has controlled American politics, ever. The NRA did not create pro-gun politicians. It merely supports them. Now remove the NRA and replace it with AIPAC. Some of us believe that supporting the only pro-america democracy in the Middle East who happens to be a technological powerhouse is a no-brainer. The fact that we can share intelligence with them is another bonus considering they are probably the best espionage outfit on the planet. I also support dumping a shitload of money into Ukraine. So I'm not sure where your narrative holds up there unless of course zielinski is hypnotized by netanyahu and so really it's Israel all the way down 😂 Edit: oh and you can bet your ass if another country that shared our values and priorities was surrounded by barbarian cultures that sought a religious revolution that spanned the globe, constantly trying to exterminate them in the most horrific ways, I would definitely support us spending 5% of our foreign aid on that country.

I don't know any of the tech billionaires who believe the crazy stuff and believe in God. So while Peter Thiel has a couple screws loose, I don't believe Vance has the same pathology. Also I don't want my politicians to be blue collar, I want them to have blue collar backgrounds. Vance fits that perfectly. He's for damn sure not a tourist 😂🤣. I find his foreign policy however to be mostly incoherent/irrational, far too close to Tucker Carlson. And since when is going to Yale bad? If he went because Daddy was an alumni, that would be one thing. I've got my fingers crossed for Rubio. He's been the surprise hero of the administration.

Well this explains it…

Y'all wanna talk blue collar...fucker is in deep with a guy so rich, he isn't sure the human race should continue to exist. He's holding "discussions" on his view of Christianity. This isn't a Gates, Cuban, or even Ramsaway. While I believe there's few/no "good" billionaires, Thiel is extremely concerning to me. I'm in politics, I know the money game. But the true "tech bros" involved in politics have some extreme beliefs. Maybe it's because I deal with people like them everyday for work that I'm too deep in that environment. The tech bros are like finance bros squared. Same with Tucker and his "blue collar" appeal. Dude is deep with a family fortune. Fuckers on both sides of the aisle being poverty/blue collar tourists for some reason pisses me off probably more than it should. Vance went to Yale. No idea on next president. Shit, I might even support Rand Paul, at least he has values I can appreciate and isn't gonna steal from America. Same with Rubio depending on how Trump 2.0 stinks him up. Depends who the Dems put up. Am I likely to vote R? No, but I have in the past and likely will in the future, especially locally.

Did you listen to the podcast? Who would you prefer be our next president?

Right, they’re just a run of the mill domestic lobby of totally normal Americans whose only priority is a foreign country and whose policy prescriptions are indistinguishable from the government of that country. Got it. Just normal America stuff. If we subbed Israel for any other country on earth in this scenario, your alarm bells would be rightfully going wild. Love this. I knew we were gonna play make believe. Didn’t I call it? Yes the off grid gun toting libertarian, former maga loyalist, retired army general freedom caucus chair, and the two lefty loons are all just “anti conservative.” lol that’s what they have in common and why AIPAC hates them 😂 Edit: also hilarious to describe AIPAC as a conservative group when they contribute almost equally to the left and right and in many years more toward the democrats. Anything to avoid admitting the obvious through line here is that it’s all 100% motivated by who will and won’t fully support Israel

Always, someone whines…..

Oh, you mean cumulatively. Got it, well in that case they’ve cumulatively received 4.7% of total US foreign aid since 1948. Greater than 95% of US foreign aid has gone to non-Israel countries since 1948 - wow, super compelling numbers to support your super compelling argument that we’re subservient to the Jew government. And again, providing aid to a region where we want things to go a certain way is normal foreign policy - should be easy for even you to understand. They’re all shit politicians who are anti-conservative and support bullshit things from a conservative perspective. So, a conservative group lobbied against them. Wow, shocking, it’s impossible to make sense of that one. I assume you’re ready to also attack every leftist lobby/PAC for working against conservative candidates, because that too can only be explained by wild conspiracy theories.

They're not a foreign lobby you walnut. Thomas Jefferson was so livid about the US failing to support the French against the British, he resigned. Was Thomas Jefferson secretly a French lobbyist? Americans are allowed to have foreign policy views. And they're allowed to donate and vote based on them. That doesn't make them puppets of a foreign government.

Reading comprehension bud. I said “since its founding” (1948) but yes thank you I’m sure you can cherry pick years where a crisis temporarily spiked our foreign aid to other places more. Go look it up. It’s simply a fact, not some Pepe Silvia conspiracy. This is precisely the problem. It is a lobby thats motivated exclusively by support for a foreign government despite, yes being a “domestic” group on paper. This allows them to contribute to political races—something no other foreign lobby is allowed to do, and that is the root cause of their disproportionate influence. I know I’m slaying the sacred cow here so critical thinking is gonna be hard but let’s put our big boy pants on for a second and ask ourselves what Thomas Massie, Scott Perry, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Cori Bush, and Jamaal Bowman have in common from a policy perspective. And why would a “domestic” political lobby equally go after these people all over the political spectrum with seemingly zero policy overlap. I look forward to us pretending it’s for any reason other than the obvious

Your entire rant is batshit crazy, but I’ll call these couple out: As one example, Ukraine received 3-5x the foreign aid as Israel for multiple years. Your statement is 100% false. Even in 2021 (pre-UKR and Biden as POTUS) Israel received 4.5% of our foreign aid…man, that’s a scary big number, the Israeli government clearly has a controlling stake in our politics! Also, it’s almost like we give foreign aid to countries at specific times to drive outcomes we want. Crazy mind blowing, amirite! AIPAC is not a foreign group based on FARA (1938), which clearly states groups will only register as foreign agents if they are “controlled, directed, or funded by foreign governments or political parties.” None of those apply to AIPAC, except in your progressive conspiracy mind. How are you measuring your “extremely powerful” statement? AIPAC made up about 2% of the lobbying financial efforts in 2024. If we’re measuring by direct donations to candidates, they are so far down the list it’s laughable you’d even bring it up. If we’re going purely by PAC/SPAC, they’re not in the top 5, and I’m being generous by including all of the “sub-PACs/AIPAC-adjacent”in that assessment. In conclusion, a picture is worth a 1000 words, so if you could look in a mirror, here’s what’d you see:

Oh my God, he has donors who share similar beliefs and desires???!!!! Burn him! Welcome to America dude, where politics is an extremely expensive endeavor and donors are the only way you’re getting anywhere beyond the school board. Did you listen to Rowe’s podcast? I haven’t, but I will.

Vance is deep into the pockets of billionaires. https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/07/16/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trumps-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/

Back to the thread topic: Listen to Mike Rowe interview JD Vance. Politics aside, I genuinely hope we get a man like Vance as our next president. A sincere, humble, honest, blue collar, military vet, entrepreneur of a man with a young family who actually represents the majority of America. It would be so refreshing to have a leader who's not putting on a narcissistic front, and is simply trying to do the best they can for the country and people they love. https://mikerowe.com/podcast/

For the millionth time it isn’t about “the Jews.” It is about the government of Israel and every time you guys falsely accuse people of racism you dig the hole even deeper for yourselves. But by all means continue and let’s see how far public sentiment for Israel can crater, I doubt we’ve found the bottom yet. Just keep shouting “anti semite” like the right wing doppelgänger of a blue haired smith college student and then ponder, along with the great mysteries of the universe, why your arguments keep losing traction. I have an issue with a government. A foreign government that we give a shit ton of money to. Not a people, not a race, not an ethnic group. Full stop. My claim the government of Israel has outsized influence on our politics is based on: AIPAC not being registered as a foreign lobby, and yes being extremely influential and powerful despite there being a handful of domestic lobbying groups that are bigger Netanyahu visiting DC more than any other head of state in recent years especially in the lead up to the war Sitting US senators quoted as saying the main reason they ran for office is to be a defender of Israel Batshit dispensationalist Christians who believe it is their religious duty to support a foreign government Israel being the largest recipient of US foreign aid since its founding The legislation CURRENTLY being pushed to merge some of the US and Israeli government defense functions The fact that we have attempted to or have toppled the governments of all 7 countries listed in the Israeli clean break strategy That our welfare baby country actively defies us and sabotages our negotiations on a routine basis Campaign donations to Trump in the hundreds of millions from the Adelsons motivated entirely by Israel support (Trump admitted they won’t leave him alone about it) The sitting US ambassador to Israel endorsing the greater Israel project But yeah since the AARP is bigger than one pro Israel lobbying group probably I’m a racist and it’s all just a conspiracy. PS. Saw we’re back to bombing as of last night. I’m sure this one will do the trick

Sure wish there was a difference anymore.

So….. a democrat

Sure seems like an attention-grabbing “stunt” to boost recognition for future political ambitions. Or he could just be that stupid… but likely both.

$3.50 says he runs for political office.

Reading that Belgium is upset and stomping their feet is a form of the soccer flop. They know good and well the Balogun call was piss poor. And I kinda agree with them that Trump should have stayed out it, phone call and all, and just stuck to mean tweeting. In honor of the flop, here is a good one.

I skipped to the end regarding the Major. He won't get a pardon for... (let me look up the charges for this uber dangerous, Jason Bourne like, slicing and dicing, spittin' out the rhymes, speech making dude)... Oh yeah, Crowding, Obstructing and Incommoding, whatever that is. Crowd of one, guilty. Obstructing, guilty of holding 4 sq ft of the people's steps of the people's Capitol. Incommoding, man that's like piling on, what ever that is. Sure, guilty, sounds dangerous and had to be put down. So, compared to the 6er Rioters who did get a pardon... um, yeah. I'm so glad it took 4 LEOs to subdue the threat. Imagine if he just stood there for days on end? The destruction would have been bigly epical. Or he would have gone home after an hour and faced his potential UCMJ charges. In the end, I think DC will drop the charges, lest they give the Maj another venue to pontificate. Its a misdemeanor. Same with AF. Probably go Art 15 at most, same reason. I'm curious to see where the dude is a year from now. I'll set a reminder.

Ah yeah, the Jews. The all powerful lobby that donates less to American politics than SpaceX, Coinbase, or Bloomberg, and who's lobbying is outdone by Lockheed, Facebook, the Realtors lobby, and AARP. But they have "complete subservience" from the US 🤣😂. You just can't live without the idea of a conspiracy. Weak tea.

Since I clearly have to spell this out .. it began being drafted in 2020 by mostly democrats (I.e. in no way caused by russias invasion of Ukraine) before being signed into law in 2022 by the Biden admin (I.e. having nothing to do with the Trump admin) Good lord first you’re arguing the chips act was a useless Democrat knee jerk to Russia, then when I clearly disprove that, you latch on to trumps lame duck year of 2020 as the year it was drafted to somehow mentally contort yourself to give him the credit.. for the thing you didn’t even believe was proactive in the first place.. I didn’t mean for this to become a sidebar on the chips act but this is genuinely so dumb I can’t let it go. Not much point in talking about complex foreign policy issues if we can’t even come to a collective understanding on a basic order of events or who is behind a piece of legislation without you shifting your self-contradictory argument multiple times.. We get it done by ending our complete subservience to a foreign government.. I don’t expect anyone in your daughter’s daycare to know about AIPAC but a good start toward a solution might be reducing or eliminating that lobby’s influence in our politics.