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Didn't realize we were arguing analogies... I'll restate it another way to not cause confusion. Europe didn't take heed of Germany's actions and allowed a violent, immoral, cult centered regime to gain substantial military strength which resulted in millions of lives lost, because they were afraid of starting another war. The war that resulted cost millions of lives, which could have been prevented with earlier action. Iranian leadership is immoral, cult centered (at the very least they adhere to a radical view of Islam), and has gained substantial military strength, just not a nuclear weapon as of yet. Oh yeah, and both regimes actively worked toward the slaughter of the Jewish people. Cambridge Dictionary: Not following accepted standards of morally right behavior or thought. Hopefully you agree that a regime that is directly responsible for terrorist attacks including Oct 7 is immoral, unless you're a Khamenei follower. You'll have to ask the Iranian leadership, oh wait the majority of the ones in power have all been smoked. Are they less likely to continue building a nuke so they can destroy Israel per their stated claim? I guess that depends if we kill enough of their leadership that actually thinks its their destiny to do so. Destroying all their toys will help too. No. None. The premise of the question itself is invalid. The odds for Israel invading Iran would be better than 1 million to 1 if Iranian leaders hadn't funded terrorists to rape and torture Jews for the last 47 years and in general work towards the mass genocide of their population. It also doesn't help when their leaders say things like this ad nauseum: Major General Hossein Salami declared that the destruction of Israel was no longer just a dream, but an "achievable goal". He added that the regime had obtained "the capacity to destroy the impostor Zionist regime." More healthy. Reference the above points regarding the continued neutering of their radical leaders. Additionally, the alternative here to the current action, would be inaction. Which is what we've been doing for the last 47 years. Unless your assessment is the cultist, immoral, and evil leaders of the regime will wake up one day with a nuclear capability and suddenly decide they don't really believe it's their destiny to destroy Israel or launch a nuke at the US. Iran with a handful of nukes. The US Congress and the President still work at the pleasure of their constituents. If you disagree with the rule of law, then by all means exercise your rights. When my parents were younger they didn't fear that the Legislative Branch was ceding too much power to the Executive Branch. They feared a nuclear war from a country that, compared to the Iranian regime, was ran by some very level headed individuals. More dangerous. You mean do I fear politicians that act like politicians? No. Unless they allow Iran to acquire nukes. Then I'll just do my best to fire them, i.e. VOTE. Also, your "Final Question" was 2 questions...

It’s rage bait all over the news, and here’s why: Trump can’t take a dime of the awarded money The headlines/articles act like this is a potential new “line item” that will be added on the budget. Reality is this money already exists and is earmarked precisely for paying out lawsuits won against the fed gov. It was always going to be used to pay claims The DOJ, IRS, FBI, etc. was substantially weaponized by Obama and Biden - zero issues with people receiving compensation for getting unfairly/illegally fucked by the fed gov. Any rational American should support that - it shouldn’t be a partisan issue

I doubt most people here think that. CA has the best, diverse geography in the country. It also has a lot of good people and areas in it (and good Mexican food). But, the large population centers on the coast drive policy, and the policies are horrifically bad with results to match. Too bad the lazy and the lunatics have destroyed a once great state. The same can be said for several other states who have gone down a similar path.

You think that only happens in CA. This has to be satire.

It's crazy....how did they go so far crazy. Great state with SOOO much potential but crapping in the street...

#0 just made some good Buffalo Trace come out of my nose!

Yeah, door #3 is we just sit back and let the blockade do it's job / work. In short order, Iran's oil infrastructure will crumble and the crushing reality of actual economic austerity will begin to set in and will take a toll on the people and the regime of Iran. Long term, this will destabilize and delegitimize them. That will increase the likelihood of regime change, and in all honestly, the best kind of regime change since it will happen organically. What we (Trump) likely doesn't have is the balls to wait it out or sell it to the American people in a clean way. I think he tried the other day, but the message fell flat. What I think probably happens is we split the difference. We'll commit enough men and material to opening the straight and denying Iran their ability to project power, whilst simultaneously disallowing Iranian shipments through. I was right about us starting the blockade - because it was obvious. I'm not as certain about this course of action. If I was in charge, that'd be my strategy though.

He is OFF THE CHART, that be no man's land:

Sure thing, as long as you quit sending all your idiots to Texas, especially Austin! And I don't have to say Texas is great, everyone knows it is except for all the Californians moving here!

I saw this exact thing in San Diego a while back. On a corner, where a building had two planters by the front door, lady walked behind, dropped trou, and started shitting. Building owners should be allowed to fire hose em.

Its all over the fucking news, bud. Trump even talks about it. Try not to tard too hard. ABC NewsTrump administration to create $1.776B 'Truth and Justice...The DOJ is finalizing a deal to launch a so-called "Truth and Justice Commission" to pay claims made by alleged victims of government "weaponization," sources say.

At least he missed the sidewalk.

Good. I enjoy when people think all of CA is just SF and LA. What great state do you live in?

I think #2 is the only long term solution. We can take all their nuke stuff, but Russia could give them some (and the support to go along with it). Additionally, they will reconstitute, so while that could take a “long time,” it still means we have to go take care of it every X years. Bottom line, the world needs Iranian leadership that sees and believes the benefits of not being murderous pieces of shit, hell bent on killing the west and all of their neighbors. Instead, hypothetical leadership needs to see the advantages to their country by getting along on the global stage, and enabling their population to flourish rather than maybe if they’re lucky survive/exist until death comes. But that all said, it is not a viable option to just throw up our hands and do nothing because #2 above is “too hard.” That’s how we get continuation of bad things happening around the world. So reality is we need to work towards #2, but simultaneously we have to keep them knocked down enough to the point #2 becomes a viable option in Iran’s eyes. The other part not addressed is how incredibly fractured they are right now - civilians have no control over the ISIS-like IRGC. That’s a huge problem, and the main reason this ceasefire was a terrible idea - we shouldn’t have stopped killing the IRGC for even one day.

“the service said the major command’s operational experience will improve readiness for the training pipeline for fighter and remotely piloted aircraft units.” Obviously those IPs wearing AETC patches who’ve had 1+ operational assignments do not have operational experience like if they’d come to work tomorrow wearing ACC patches. Duh.

That is embarrassing.

The Air Force decision process is much like the pendulum on a clock but without the ability to remember what the pendulums location used to be or predict the future location. So, the AF just repeats history thinking it has found something new and unique.

A direct outflow of the Iran conflict and Operation Spider Web. 5 US bases selected for anti-drone pilot program

Not to worry, I won't.

It was only US satellites not Russia or China who is giving Iran intelligence.

“Iran can’t have a nuke.” My issue with this stance is that it’s nothing more than a tagline. It’s not a plan, it’s an item on a wishlist. If the totally clear and not changing goal from the beginning has always been to deny Iran a nuke now and forever.. I have a few questions. First, since I guess we already established diplomacy isn’t going to work.. JCPOA sucked, was going to expire, Iran just does what they want anyway.. and since the regime always will try for a nuke and will try to reconstitute the nuke capacity they do have.. HOW do we prevent them from getting a nuke? From where I sit it would take two things: Send in a massive ground force for weeks to excavate and take the nuke material they do have Full, actual regime change or dismantlement. Not a fake regime change like the one we’re claiming we did where all the relatives and buddies of the dead guys take over and just keep doing the same thing. The next obvious question is: do we have the capability to do that? Probably yes but at a huge cost and we’d need to commit far more to the war than what is currently, including deploying a large portion of the army. The next obvious question is: do we have the political will to do it? Which I think the answer is indubitably: no. My last question is if this was always the clear goal, why wasn’t the operation pitched to the American people that way originally? Why did we go through the midnight hammer “totally obliterated” charade knowing full well bulldozers exist and reconstitution efforts would start immediately? Why was epic fury pitched as an absolutely no boots on the ground op when we knew full well eventually we’d need to go in and take the “dust?” Why is Hegseth claiming “our military objectives are complete” when the main thing this war is apparently about is still unfinished? Why are we now on the doorstep of a boots on the ground regime change war despite every neocon in existence calling skeptics “panakins” and assuring us for the last year that it wouldn’t happen? Like I warned months or maybe even a year ago in this very thread: escalations happen insidiously. No one sets out to have a years long boots on the ground regime change boondoggle and it isn’t always readily apparent when you’re walking down the path toward being in one. But here we are with no end in sight, making grand claims about what we can and cannot allow a very well armed country of 90 million people to do. If you guys think I’m missing a door #3 option I’d love to hear it.

Because allowing the enemy access open source BDA gives them more information about what capabilities we now lack or what could still be brought to bear against them

They’ve absolutely pushed terrorism in Europe. They may hate us the most, but they definitely hate the entire west. You’re buying into Islamic propaganda if you think “there wouldn’t be problems if we’d just leave the Middle East.”

While I agree why hide the damage and block satellite images.