Homestar Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) What year group? AMC has reduced their rated 365s to 26 down from 47. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/12/21/to-keep-pilots-from-leaving-air-mobility-command-aims-to-get-them-back-in-the-air/?utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2EF5j0TuUAKd3mg2iR1tRRYuqhGzdq-prucXwBnGLM51O5WfhBJVdLSPU Edited December 28, 2018 by Homestar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyFlightSuit Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 year groups 02 to 05 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, DirtyFlightSuit said: year groups 02 to 05 I believe. Well, no kidding. Those year groups were highly tasked 5-6 years ago when we had over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The first time I heard "more with less" was around 2005, incidentally this was just a few years after the ops/mx split, its been downhill ever since. In my corner of the AF, the powers that be cut fighter production to almost nothing around 2008 which ended up dramatically increasing work load in the fighter squadrons and lowering quality of life. Choose your reasons why, but for the moment the grass is greener on the other side, it used to just be grass. These swings are not new, and will happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 What year group? AMC has reduced their rated 365s to 26 down from 47. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/12/21/to-keep-pilots-from-leaving-air-mobility-command-aims-to-get-them-back-in-the-air/?utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2EF5j0TuUAKd3mg2iR1tRRYuqhGzdq-prucXwBnGLM51O5WfhBJVdLSPUThat’s weird, because I’ve had two friends in my squadron and 06 YG get tasked with 365s. AMC may have cut their 365s, but HAF and joint tastings (which MAF guys are eligible to fill) haven’t decreased from what I’ve seen. If anything, MAF guys are getting more 365s because the CAF and AETC are better able to stiff-arm deployments. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyusaf83 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Homestar said: What year group? AMC has reduced their rated 365s to 26 down from 47. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/12/21/to-keep-pilots-from-leaving-air-mobility-command-aims-to-get-them-back-in-the-air/?utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2EF5j0TuUAKd3mg2iR1tRRYuqhGzdq-prucXwBnGLM51O5WfhBJVdLSPU I really could not care less what crap the AF peddles through its propaganda arm. I just see what’s around me. Everyone I know that is staying in is planning on a 365. Some guys volunteer for one so they can control the timing/location/job and negotiate an assignment with AFPC. I don’t really give a crap what the AF says, I’ll believe they are making a fix when I see it. I still am seeing guys getting “hot” for that 365 around the 15 year mark and trying to figure out how to avoid it, and ending up “volunteering” for one for the above said reasons. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 The MAF Facebook page shows 2002 STRD and earlier O-5s “hot” for 365s. It shows 2007 STRD and earlier O-4s “hot.” Fence in accordingly. Edited to correct wrong info. The MAF Facebook page has a bit more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right Seat Driver Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 The MAF Facebook page shows 2002 YG and earlier O-5s “hot” for 365s. It shows 2007 YG and earlier O-4a “hot.”Fence in accordingly.Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appIs this based on YG or STRDs?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icohftb Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Are those for people w/ 0 short tours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Is this based on YG or STRDs? Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app They don't want you to know. Edit: seriously though, it's STRD + short tours; YG just happens to kinda jive with STRD, ish, a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Are those for people w/ 0 short tours?They'll never tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, icohftb said: Are those for people w/ 0 short tours? Yes. Usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Bender said: They don't want you to know. Edit: seriously though, it's STRD + short tours; YG just happens to kinda jive with STRD, ish, a little. Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Is this based on YG or STRDs?Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile appSorry, you’re right STRD in those years. Typing while in line at the grocery checkout will get ya every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NKAWTG Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 That doesn't protect you from the short notice 180. Completely the wing commander's decision on who goes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco_Nav963 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, pawnman said: Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012. Might need to jump on one sooner to negotiate your way out of Dyess! Otherwise they might keep you at the FTU until you're hot for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines. Run! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 56 minutes ago, brabus said: You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines. Run! The Navy Reserve does. And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyFlightSuit Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, brabus said: You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines. Run! Our T-6 Reservist are getting tagged for 179s as well, I believe they have broken up a few into 90s but there is no guarantee. Getting a Reserve gig may be a nice hold over until your established in Airlines but long term I'm not sure they will be able to retain very soon. Too much AD bullshit seeping into Reserves from what I am seeing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 40 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said: The Navy Reserve does. And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those. I have yet to see a guard PILOT get involuntarily, individually mobilized to a 179/365...only Reserve pilots. I'm not saying it hasn't happened or those days aren't coming, just that I haven't seen it yet in the ANG. I think leadership is smart enough to grasp the reality of the mass exodus that would happen after the first one. Either way, this is just another reason why I'll always recommend the Guard over the Reserves to all my buddies leaving AD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eli Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, brabus said: You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines. Run! Not entirely true. C130 units are getting tagged with Afghan Air Advisor. We sent three people. Our leadership lucked out that they were volunteers, two of them anyway, one had an ADSC so they voluntold him. It's not just a 179. You have to learn Army, so that is another couple of months. Had leadership had to make a list and start asking -those who said no would have been shown the door. My estimate is we would have lost 20-30% of instructors across each crew position. I'm in a guard unit. Edited December 29, 2018 by Eli Clarity 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Spike Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, SocialD said: I have yet to see a guard PILOT get involuntarily, individually mobilized to a 179/365...only Reserve pilots. I'm not saying it hasn't happened or those days aren't coming, just that I haven't seen it yet in the ANG. I think leadership is smart enough to grasp the reality of the mass exodus that would happen after the first one. Either way, this is just another reason why I'll always recommend the Guard over the Reserves to all my buddies leaving AD. I don't know of any personally, but I've heard of them from folks at A3. The Guard actually ended up with more than the Reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eli said: Not entirely true. C130 units are getting tagged with Afghan Air Advisor. We sent three people. Our leadership lucked out that they were volunteers, two of them anyway, one had an ADSC so they voluntold him. It's not just a 179. You have to learn Army, so that is another couple of months. Had leadership had to make a list and start asking -those who said no would have been shown the door. My estimate is we would have lost 20-30% of instructors across each crew position. I'm in a guard unit. Funny enough, I was just about to edit my post and mention the C-130 Afghan stuff, but I had only seen it happen in the Reserves. Me thinks if you drill down a bit, you may find this more of an offering by your local, senior leadership than a mandated requirement sent down from above. Kinda like when Montgomery was "forced" into a 6 month deployment to Afghanistan... If this happened here, I'll bet that 20-30% would be a fairly low number. We already have a fair number of guys barely hanging on after the last few "deployments" we've had to go fly CT missions half way around the globe. 1 hour ago, Buddy Spike said: I don't know of any personally, but I've heard of them from folks at A3. The Guard actually ended up with more than the Reserves. Interesting, I'll have to ping a bro up at NGB...I would be interested to see the numbers, communities and how many were actually volunteers. I'm guessing if it had happened in my community we'd know about it asap as bad news spreads like a wildfire. Edited December 29, 2018 by SocialD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Disco_Nav963 said: Might need to jump on one sooner to negotiate your way out of Dyess! Otherwise they might keep you at the FTU until you're hot for one. I just need 45 days deployed to stave one off for five years. Plus, with two under my belt already, there are plenty of other folks that will be more hot for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herkbum Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 The Navy Reserve does. And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those. Almost 27 years in ANG and I’ve never seen this happen. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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