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nsplayr    599
3 minutes ago, Herk Driver said:


Believe it or not, there are lots of VLPAD apps being processed.


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Hey, good on em I guess. Glad more guys want to serve once again and I hope they don't get screwed.

I guess I'm just not regretting my move to the ARC one bit and based on the opportunities there I would vector anyone who asked my opinion into open ARC positions before considering a return to AD.

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Termy    59
9 hours ago, Jaded said:

Ha. It makes me think the whole thing is just for show, to make the stop-loss more palatable down the road.

What was amusing to me about this was I was I heard virtually the exact same comment from buddies at Alaska, United, SWA, AA, and Delta:

"Dude, why did you even apply for that?!  You can already retire! Get your app in and get over here.  It's great!"

 

 

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HossHarris    520
6 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

How is it not USERRA protected if you are  in an active duty position?  Some sort of GS thing?

Maybe my terminology is off. 

 

But as in it's not a mobilization or temporary thing. It's full time active duty. So you won't keep your foot in the door at an airline. 

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ClearedHot    1,161
3 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

Maybe my terminology is off. 

 

But as in it's not a mobilization or temporary thing. It's full time active duty. So you won't keep your foot in the door at an airline. 

Can't you take MIL LEAVE for a few years to do this gig?  I thought this was how some Guard folks came back to get an active retirement?

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HossHarris    520

This isn't an AGR "mobilization". This is volunteering to go back to active duty. I would definitely find out (in writing) from both the usaf and your airline employer if you'll still have a seniority number on the back side of it. 

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ClearedHot    1,161
Just now, HossHarris said:

This isn't an AGR "mobilization". This is volunteering to go back to active duty. I would definitely find out (in writing) from both the usaf and your airline employer if you'll still have a seniority number on the back side of it. 

Understood and I confess I don't know all the ins and outs of Guard service and the Airline rules.  I brought it up from past experience seeing folks come back on active duty for a few years to get a full time retirement.  

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HossHarris    520
14 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Understood and I confess I don't know all the ins and outs of Guard service and the Airline rules.  I brought it up from past experience seeing folks come back on active duty for a few years to get a full time retirement.  

Yup. And I don't know that it's been definitively answered one way or another for vplad. But I'd be damn sure before I risked 3 years of seniority or more. 

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ClearedHot    1,161
20 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

Yup. And I don't know that it's been definitively answered one way or another for vplad. But I'd be damn sure before I risked 3 years of seniority or more. 

Amen.

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Champ Kind    698
Understood and I confess I don't know all the ins and outs of Guard service and the Airline rules.  I brought it up from past experience seeing folks come back on active duty for a few years to get a full time retirement.  


I'm pretty sure the two I knew of ~7 years ago were furloughed from their companies.

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MooseAg03    127

We had several return to active duty Lt Cols in my old squadron. They all kept their line numbers. I was just a dumb Lt at the time, so I have no idea what program they returned under.


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ihtfp06    291

We had several LtCols come back who were able to get an AD retirement and keep their line numbers. One Maj came back from a job at a regional, betting he didn't give a sh!t about his line number.


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herkbum    126

Any idea if there is a list of positions available?  If so, where?  Would likely be a good resource for someone seriously thinking about taking the leap of faith.

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HuggyU2    908

USERRA is blind to the reason you return to active duty. It doesn't matter. 

You will keep rights at your civilian job, to include your airline line number.... as long as you do not exceed the USERRA 5-year rule (though some airlines like United will give you more than that). 

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gearpig    1,553

As I vaguely recall, I believe your AFTPs (Flying Training Periods), UTAs (Drill Periods), and AT (2 weeks/year annual Training) are exempt from the 5 year USERRA clock. Beyond that, only certain Active Duty orders are exempted from the 5 year clock, two examples being any orders containing the word "Contingency" or "Training".

Any orders you take that aren't exempted are deducted from the cumulative 5 years you can be absent from your employer for the purposes of military service. If your employer believes you have exceeded your 5 years and provides records that indicate such, you need to be able to determine from your own records which of the days were exempt from the clock and which were not.

I get the impression that most employers (especially with unionized employees) shy away from making an issue of the cumulative 5 years of military leave if the member is legitimately accomplishing intermittant military service with proper documentation over the course of their career. However, taking 1 chunk of mil leave with a return to Active Duty under orders that are not exempted is likely doable for less than 5 years, but makes the USERRA clock more enforceable for the company if you have already taken lots of mil leave, or plan on taking more after leaving AD again.

 

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nsplayr    599
1 hour ago, herkbum said:

Any idea if there is a list of positions available?  If so, where?  Would likely be a good resource for someone seriously thinking about taking the leap of faith.

myPERS listed specific special programs and the requirements for each.

There was also a general "rated officer" listing without details as to what unit you'd be assigned to, line flying vs schoolhouse vs test etc., i.e. lots of key details missing.

I'm assuming functionals or someone st AFPC would have more info, but then again that's counting on A1 doing a good job, which the lack of that is why we're here in the first place...

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Copter AV8R    0

Block 17 of the application reads: "IF I AM SELECTED FOR EAD IN A NON-FLYING CAPACITY, I HEREBY VOLUNTARILY REQUEST PERMANENT SUSPENSION FROM FLYING STATUS" (check yes or no)

A few questions for the thread:

Will one be considered for non-flying positions if they were to check no?

What's the process (painfulness) of getting back on status if one were to re-apply to a flying ARC billet?

Most importantly, will it affect flight pay? What if the aviator has met the necessary gate months to continue flight pay?

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Roto-Loco    0

VLPAD time is not exempt from the USERRA 5-Year limit per the VLPAD recall office. I called the office directly via an answer received from myPers.

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matmacwc    1,092

Don't voulenteer for shit, tell them what you will do.  Go covfefe on them

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Van1    2

Applied 1 Jun requesting 12R position at Offutt, got VLPAD offer on 11 Jul, and after clearing up some issues with my TAG endorsement finally got orders today to start AD on 21 Aug.  Anyone else care to admit they're going or attempting to go back in?

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Termy    59

As I mentioned earlier in this thread I applied and was accepted and then denied release by afrc. (11f). I know of at least one other that was denied. I'd also like to hear from folks who VLPADed. (Now it's a verb!)

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Van1    2

11F Guard Baby I know just got a base of his choosing in Europe via VLPAD.  Was initially offered a position at a base in NM but said no way. 

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