ryleypav 47 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Off the street hire at a Guard Tanker Unit. AFOQT/TBAS: July 2016 Board: November 2019 Hired: November 2019 FC1: ??? OTS: ??? UPT: ??? FTU: ??? Feels good to finally start this timeline. Edited November 24, 2019 by ryleypav I'm dumb. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSkyz 3 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Anyone out there with an estimated timeline for someone switching services? I already have a commission (can skip OTS), pilots license (can skip IFT), TS clearance, FC1 complete with all waivers needed in hand (finished with this bureaucracy)...just wondering possible timeline from my last day in the Navy to potential UPT dates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieHotel47 124 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Were you a flier or rated guy in the navy? A- get hired by unit, have a valid DD368 B- hope you have a shit hot recruiter that can get you gain in a reasonable amount of time. C- slots were cut for FY20. If your lucky after accomplishing A & B, (in 4-6 months maybe) tag another 6 months until you can get dates. If luck is really on your side, your actual arrival at UPT dates will not be far from notification of school dates. hope that helps. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dotonfire 8 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 @BlueSkyz, it took me about a year and nine months from interview to UFT dates coming from Navy. This included flight phys, waivers, and IFT. Sans those, it would be about nine months from flight physical stamp to UFT. Feel free to PM with any Q's about the process. Are you AD? Are you applying to units? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingFisher 13 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, CharlieHotel47 said: C- slots were cut for FY20. If your lucky after accomplishing A & B, (in 4-6 months maybe) tag another 6 months until you can get dates. If luck is really on your side, your actual arrival at UPT dates will not be far from notification of school dates. Can you elaborate on the "slots were cut" part of that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieHotel47 124 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 50 minutes ago, FlyingFisher said: Can you elaborate on the "slots were cut" part of that? NGB had allocated thru budgeting/finance about 125-155 UPT slots FY20. The number was cut to 90 by the 19th AF (big blue). The numbers were cut across the board for AD, AFRC and ANG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingFisher 13 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, CharlieHotel47 said: NGB had allocated thru budgeting/finance about 125-155 UPT slots FY20. The number was cut to 90 by the 19th AF (big blue). The numbers were cut across the board for AD, AFRC and ANG. So, sounds like even longer wait times for UPT then? Awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieHotel47 124 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, FlyingFisher said: So, sounds like even longer wait times for UPT then? Awesome. Unfortunately. Stay motivated. I went to WP on my own dime to get an FC1 thinking I would be able to shorten up the timeline. But didn't help much. Get Hired. Get gained by the unit. Get UPT dates. Usually about 18 to 24 months in average. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingFisher 13 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, CharlieHotel47 said: Unfortunately. Stay motivated. I went to WP on my own dime to get an FC1 thinking I would be able to shorten up the timeline. But didn't help much. Get Hired. Get gained by the unit. Get UPT dates. Usually about 18 to 24 months in average. I have everything but the UPT date part knocked out so I guess we'll just see how things fall, all worth it in the end! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSkyz 3 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Thanks for the replies! To answer a few questions: -I am not a rated military pilot (civilian CFI) and have been AD navy for 6 yrs driving ships and Intel....got med dqd from navy pilot and now am 100% cleared for air force (had to pay back rotc commitment before i could switch) -I have a unit lined up but am trying my luck with interviewing for pointy nose since i recently just got the height/anthro waiver from big blue for f16/f35 (smaller female) So, I guess i am trying to see if all the boxes are checked (flight physical, scrolling, etc. And can skip all mentioned above OTS, IFS) what my last day in navy to foot in the door at upt might look like....i plan on getting a seaplane pilot job in the interim...will pay like cheap compared to O3 pay but it will be a fun time filler for me. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TotableMink 0 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 6:14 PM, CharlieHotel47 said: NGB had allocated thru budgeting/finance about 125-155 UPT slots FY20. The number was cut to 90 by the 19th AF (big blue). The numbers were cut across the board for AD, AFRC and ANG. Does this effect folks that have already gotten hired but are still waiting for dates? Or does the unit already have the slot secured when they hold their board? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieHotel47 124 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Does this effect folks that have already gotten hired but are still waiting for dates? Or does the unit already have the slot secured when they hold their board? Im sure there have been exceptions in the past; from what I understand, a unit must gain you first. Once your in the books, a school request is submitted to higher. submittal request goes to A3 at NGB. Not sure how it works for reserves. If your just wanting on dates you must be in the queue somewhere. Unit priority, short falls, and 19 AF availability could be the hold up.I know it sucks not having dates... but relax, enjoy your time now because once you begin, it will be fire hose type learning equating to a very long year. Cheers Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of James Post 13 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 14 hours ago, CharlieHotel47 said: Im sure there have been exceptions in the past; from what I understand, a unit must gain you first. Once your in the books, a school request is submitted to higher. submittal request goes to A3 at NGB. Not sure how it works for reserves. I'm going through this process now in the Reserves. While a unit will hire you, you won't be on their UMD or administratively controlled by them until you get your Wings. The 340th (JBSA) administratively owns all UPT/UCT students until they've completed UPT/UCT. Once you head off to your FTU, you'll be gained by your home unit you were hired into. Once the 340th gains you, it doesn't take that long to get dates (2 days for me) … the weight was getting gained to the 340th. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mightymighty 19 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 A bud just got his dates: FC1 done in Sept/Oct Package sent to NGB in October OCS date he got yesterday is for June Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSkyz 3 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I have 6 months AD time left...Can I start the scrolling process now unsponsored (waiting for choice unit's upt board)? Also, do I still receive a DD214 when I'm considered an inter service transfer? Everyone I have talked to thus far seems to think I need the dd214 from the navy AD side in order to get the dd368 from navy IRR to cross over to AFR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SurelySerious 989 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 13 hours ago, BlueSkyz said: I have 6 months AD time left...Can I start the scrolling process now unsponsored (waiting for choice unit's upt board)? Scrolling on the Reserve side takes a couple months, so definitely start that process with a Reserve recruiter if it’s a Reserve unit. It will stay effective as long as you stay in the same rank when you transition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetpower 3 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, BlueSkyz said: I have 6 months AD time left...Can I start the scrolling process now unsponsored (waiting for choice unit's upt board)? Also, do I still receive a DD214 when I'm considered an inter service transfer? Everyone I have talked to thus far seems to think I need the dd214 from the navy AD side in order to get the dd368 from navy IRR to cross over to AFR. I'm not sure if your recruiter would start the scrolling process as an unsponsored applicant. You should definitely ask your recruiter. Yes, you will still receive your DD214 as an inter service transfer guy upon separation from AD. If you already have served your initial 8 year commitment in the Navy, then you may cross over directly to AFR without having to deal with the Navy IRR, all you'll need is the DD368 from the AD Navy. If you still have the 8 year commitment left then you will have to go through the Navy IRR which will require you to get another DD368. Shoot me a message if you have any questions. I recently went through the inter service transfer process as an AD Marine (dark side) to AFR myself. I am just waiting to EAS from the Corps and to be gained by the 340th. Edited December 9, 2019 by Jetpower Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetpower 3 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) For the AFR folks, the UPT pipeline is currently backed up and the 340th is still trying get seats for folks who were selected early this year. I'm not sure how long it will take for the UPT pipeline to unclog but I'd highly recommend saving at least 5 months of your pay to sustain yourself and your family if you're coming off of active duty. I am slated to EAS in late Jan 2020 and got a tentative UPT date of 23 June. However, nothing is official until I in process with the 340th and receive the orders. Edited December 9, 2019 by Jetpower 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iRobot 39 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 12:19 PM, Jetpower said: For the AFR folks, the UPT pipeline is currently backed up and the 340th is still trying get seats for folks who were selected early this year. I'm not sure how long it will take for the UPT pipeline to unclog but I'd highly recommend saving at least 5 months of your pay to sustain yourself and your family if you're coming off of active duty. I am slated to EAS in late Jan 2020 and got a tentative UPT date of 23 June. However, nothing is official until I in process with the 340th and receive the orders. So how does that work? Do folks just get released from training/duty (go back to their respective workplace(s)) until it's time to return or will they go to their sponsoring unit, even though they aren't technically gained until after UPT graduation? Also, as a reservist, will there still be a requirement to do my weekend drills during that timeframe, if so, with whom? (340th or Sponsoring Unit) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rudderrightmore 17 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Started as an enlisted Traditional Reservist. Guard CSO Board: May 2018 Notified: May 2018 Gained By Guard: September 2018 Reserve UPT board: September 2018 (good timing right?) Notified: September 2018 FC1 Scheduled: January 2019 AFRC UFT Board: January 2019 Notified: January 2019 FC1: May 2019 (Need anthropomorphic waiver for exceeding 40' sitting height) FC1 Stamped: September 2019 EDSCA: Nov 2019 There was an issue processing my separation because guard, so I wasn't actually separated until a month later Gained by 340th: Dec 2019 OTS: February 2020 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FDNYOldGuy 162 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 9:10 AM, iRobot said: So how does that work? Do folks just get released from training/duty (go back to their respective workplace(s)) until it's time to return or will they go to their sponsoring unit, even though they aren't technically gained until after UPT graduation? Also, as a reservist, will there still be a requirement to do my weekend drills during that timeframe, if so, with whom? (340th or Sponsoring Unit) You won’t drill with the 340th or your gaining unit as a Reservist before UPT; the 340th doesn’t have drills for UPT pipeline and won’t let you drill with your home unit. You’ll just be on DEP, basically. You’ll swear in, but you won’t be doing anything until you leave for your first piece of the pipeline. Your sponsoring unit has no control over you until you head to your PIQ/FTU. 340th handles your school/travel, pay, leave, orders, etc., so your home unit is just waiting for you to pop out at the other end with some wings. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jetpower 3 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Well said, thanks for the reply. I think the delay will only affect the folks who are coming off active duty. If you are a civilian applicant, I’m sure you can work for your employer until you begin your training pipeline (OTS, IFT, UPT, or FTU).Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Splash95 22 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Ex-AD, ANG Nav (ECs -> ACs -> slicks) looking to X-train to Pilot with same unit. 37 yo O-4, 12 years TFSC, needed ETP approved by NGB/A1 and AF/A1P. Have PPL. Board: March 2018 <- canxed, pilots overmanned Board: April 2019 Hired, pending ETP approval: April 2019 FC1 Scheduled: May 2019 FC1: July 2019 (soonest available after finishing IN school) ETP submitted: July 2019 FC1 stamped, ETP updated: August 2019 ETP approved: 26 December 2019 UPT: ?? 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CharlieHotel47 124 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Ex-AD, ANG Nav (ECs -> ACs -> slicks) looking to X-train to Pilot with same unit. 37 yo O-4, 12 years TFSC, needed ETP approved by NGB/A1 and AF/A1P. Have PPL. Board: March 2018 Board: April 2019 Hired, pending ETP approval: April 2019 FC1 Scheduled: May 2019 FC1: July 2019 (soonest available after finishing IN school) ETP submitted: July 2019 FC1 stamped, ETP updated: August 2019 ETP approved: 26 December 2019 UPT: ?? Your HARM rep at your unit should be able to reach out to the NGB A3 chief undergraduate flying training rep for an outlook for potential dates. Worst case, you’ll have to wait until the next FY dates. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fly For a 62E 9 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Non-rated AD Air Force to AFR C-17 unit. FC1: November 2017 Reserve Hiring Board: April 2019 Hired: April 2019 Palace Chase Application Submitted: May 2019 Palace Chase Approval (Jan 2020 separation): July 2019 AFR Pilot Board: September 2020 (met and accepted) Separated AD: January 2020 Gained at 340th: February 2020 SERE (maybe): March 2020 UPT: April 2020 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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