ARIs 'R' Us Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Yes, as in easy to add on. Which always made me wonder why airlines want you to have it prior to training. The only difference I know of between the type rating check and the ATP check is the v1 cut. Who's saying the airlines want you to have it? Not a rhetorical question... Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Who's saying the airlines want you to have it? Not a rhetorical question... Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Read the 21 pages on this thread and the other airline threads. Guys are arguing about what color suit to wear to WAI and if you get it wrong you don't get hired. Same if your medical is out of date on your Linkedin profile. Whith all of that, I think it is safe to say you need your ATP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARIs 'R' Us Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Fair answer. The other 21 pages have a lot of guys who've never worked for the airlines telling other guys who've never worked for the airlines what they need. Then again, I've never worked for the airlines...that's why I asked. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Dub Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Anyone know if Accessible Aviation's program is still running? I've been emailing/calling since Aug and haven't gotten a response. I just completed the ATP Multi, ATP Single, and both the single-engine and multi-engine add-ons to the CFI with Accessible this week. PM me with any questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Quick synopsis on Carl's program and his examiner? Haven't heard much about that operation in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Fair answer. The other 21 pages have a lot of guys who've never worked for the airlines telling other guys who've never worked for the airlines what they need. Then again, I've never worked for the airlines...that's why I asked. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! That is kind of the point. No one really knows. I have seen resumes all over the map getting calls and guys with the same or better not. Seen guys with no ATP get hired some not. Heard some say 5k hours and not flying for 2 months is worse than 1.5k and current. Know a guy that got hired by Delta that hadn't flown in 2 years. I also know a guy that didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Noonin Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Seen guys with no ATP get hired some not. You've seen guys with no ATP get hired at majors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casemac Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Any recommendations on where to get my ATP in southern cal? I am stationed overseas but headed back in a week or so for vacation. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vetter Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) I don't know a single person to get hired at a Major without an ATP. Edited September 28, 2014 by Vetter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvlax40 Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I don't know a single person to get hired at a Major without an ATP. I agree that currently seems to be the case, but with the new ATP written it will be interesting. wonder if theyll incorporate it into type ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChkHandleDn Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) I don't know a single person to get hired at a Major without an ATP. I know of at least one hired by Delta that only had the written complete. Edited September 28, 2014 by ChkHandleDn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 (edited) You've seen guys with no ATP get hired at majors? No, not plural singular. One, with the written compete. the plural part was those not getting calls. Edited September 28, 2014 by Butters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Quick synopsis on Carl's program and his examiner? Haven't heard much about that operation in a while. Actual training is the bare minimum (least amount of training for money spent) but Brad, the FAA Examiner, is outstanding in respect to professionalism and fairness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10percenttruth Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Actual training is the bare minimum (least amount of training for money spent) but Brad, the FAA Examiner, is outstanding in respect to professionalism and fairness. I'll second that. I definitely don't feel like I "got away with anything". The training covered the checkride & the checkride was fair & legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16Rooster Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 This may have been covered earlier in this thread but just a tip to mil guys applying to airlines: go through your logbooks and update up to your last flight and include instrument approaches, cross country, etc. As a mostly mil guy I didn't even consider this but to the F/O doing my interview it was a big deal that I "couldn't prove that I was instrument current" despite being a current and qualified tanker bubba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 This may have been covered earlier in this thread but just a tip to mil guys applying to airlines: go through your logbooks and update up to your last flight and include instrument approaches, cross country, etc. As a mostly mil guy I didn't even consider this but to the F/O doing my interview it was a big deal that I "couldn't prove that I was instrument current" despite being a current and qualified tanker bubba. Did you give him the "not sure if serious," look? I can't even begin to imagine why this was even talked about in the interview? I guess you could always have ARMS pull up a training report and show all the instrument approaches you've logged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragspider Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 Not trying to be a total smart ass, but did you tell him that we have to do at least a Take off, instrument approach, and landing each month to be current? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocialD Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Anyone had any luck with the Boston examiner? I've been trying to contact him for a while with no luck. Please PM me if you've got any good leads. Hoss, clear out your mail...trying to send you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lj35driver Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Giving Skywarrior down at Pensacola a try this month for the ME ATP with SE add on. They do an ATP prep course starting at $1655 in Seminoles. They're also one of the few places left that are still VA/ GI Bill approved for the ATP course. They were down for awhile because their DE has heart problems but recently got a new guy. Seeing as their program caters to the military, I'd bet the new DE is a safe one. http://www.skywarriorinc.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Let us know how it goes. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16Rooster Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think I probably did give him the not sure if serious look. That might explain why they declined to hire me. Cragspider, you're always a total smart ass but yes I did explain that to him along with several other mil vs civ things. The two pilots in the interview had NO concept of military flying which is why I wanted to bring it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Definitely interested in any info you can give post-ATP, my plan is to go to Pensacola in Jan/Feb time frame. Are you doing the ATP prep course and then the practical immediately following that? What's the rough total price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Uh oh, If this thing sticks (which I don't think it will), the entry-level airlines will likely go developing their own ATP-CTP courses. Additionally, ERAU and Sportys already are offering courses. All ATP can't be far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hueypilot Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yep, for the mere cost of $75,000, you too can work your way through a training pipeline with a guaranteed job that pays $25,000 a year! I see lots of people signing up for that. On a serious note, I think I've read that interest in pilot careers among college and high school kids is at an all time low. I have no idea why though. As for the military vs civilian thing...play the game. Yes, there's a fair chance that those interviewing you will have no military flying experience. Be prepared to show them your experience. Have a logbook of some kind. Don't assume they understand what you're talking about. As for the "we have to do a takeoff, approach and landing each month to stay current", that's somewhat true. But just because that requirement exists doesn't mean you're current. Lots of things make people go non-current all the time. Bottom line, don't scoff at the civilian interview pilots. After all, you're trying to become one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The airlines will be offering people without ATPs in the next year, just wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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