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T-38:

B-1

F-15E

T-38 FAIP

T-1:

MQ-9 x2

There were only 2 T1 studs?

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T-38

F-16 international

F-16 Luke

B-52 Barksdale

C-130H Elmendorf AFRC

T-38 FAIP

T-1

C130J Dyess

C-17 McChord

MQ-9x2 Creech

KC-10x2 McGuire

C-17 McChord AFRC

C-5 Kelly AFRC

C-17 Jackson AFRC

KC-10 Travis

C-130J Little Rock

T-1 FAIP

AC-130U Hurlburt

C-130H Little Rock

Welcome to the suck gents! For those that dropped RPAs, seriously this is probably the best time in your career to get that assignment. At least at this point senior leadership is promising you will have a manned aircraft follow on. Those guys at Charleston/McChord that just got them in the VML have no such promise and will probably never make it out of the RPA black hole.

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They're still handing out H models? Why?

They're still handing out H models? Why?

Some poor bastard at Yokota has to take the RPA must fills. At least they'll PCS all the way across the pacific for 6 months before they head to Randolph.

Our two H models were guard guys

How did the RPA selects take it?

Vance: 1 guy was disappointed, but accepted it. The other guy, not so well.

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T-38:

B-1

F-15E

T-38 FAIP

T-1:

MQ-9 x2

T-38

KC-135 Birmingham ANG

To finish up the T-1 studs:

RC-135, Offutt

C-130H, Minneapolis AFRC

MC-130J, Mildenhall

KC-135 McConnell AFRC

KC-10 Travis

C-17 Elmendorf

MC-130J Kadena

KC-135 McConnell

T-1 FAIP Vance

E-3 Tinker

C-130J LR

C-130J Ramstein

2X MQ-9 Creech and Ellsworth

edited: clarified -135 ANG was T-38 stud

Edited August 2, 201510 yr by Vicious3027

The other guy, not so well.

What happened there?

What happened there?

I think it was a case of not prepping himself for the possibility, maybe denial? idk

specifics. Did he start sobbing? Run screaming out of the room? Stage a sit-in protest, what?

Details man, you can't just leave us with nothing. They really should pull guys to the side beforehand and give them a heads up if they're getting an RPA.

Details man, you can't just leave us with nothing. They really should pull guys to the side beforehand and give them a heads up if they're getting an RPA.

Agreed. Crushing a dude in front of his family, friends, and peers isn't cool. It's not like he wanted an F-22 and got an F-16 or a C-17 and got an E-8 and he/she made a scene. It's squashing their dream of flying.

Giving him a heads up a day before so he can have some composure is the right thing to do IMO.

This was back in the late 90's, but a college buddy of mine, SIE'd in the T-37 phase, served out the remainder of his AF time (approx 3 years) in acquisitions, separated, then joined the Navy where they sent him to pilot training and he had a long career flying Hornets (C through E/F).

Cap-10

Heard of something similar to this but in this story the dude was eliminated rather than SIE and he applied and got picked up for WO and now flies Apaches.

Agreed. Crushing a dude in front of his family, friends, and peers isn't cool. It's not like he wanted an F-22 and got an F-16 or a C-17 and got an E-8 and he/she made a scene. It's squashing their dream of flying.

Giving him a heads up a day before so he can have some composure is the right thing to do IMO.

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No one should get a kick in the junk in public without getting a text to wear your cup tomorrow.

As soon as "don't fear the reaper" was playing in the background, he pretty much knew right then. On the long walk back to the rest of class, you could tell he was trying to hold it back. I kept taking occasional looks behind me to see how he was doing. Some sobbing, but nothing gross I would say. I didn't see him the rest of the night.

The dude worked his ass off only to find out only 2 weeks before drop that starting with our class 2 unlucky souls were getting reap'd, when there was absolutely nothing anyone could do at that point to increase their MASS (sp?) scores. I feel bad for him in that regard, but they are telling us that they will get a fixed wing after they are done with the RPA tour. He will be okay.

I agree, the right thing to do would have been to pull those guys aside and say, "prepare yourself". Dropping that bomb in front of everyone had to be done, but yeah, it could have been handled a little better.

I feel bad for him in that regard, but they are telling us that they will get a fixed wing after they are done with the RPA tour. He will be okay.

So they're promising something they have 0% control of? Copy.

So they're promising something they have 0% control of? Copy.

I would like to think that when Gen Welsh gives us his word, his successor will honor that. Only time will tell.

That's what happend with Norty. He promised manned for all the UPT-D back in 09-11 timeframe. welsh honored it.

I would like to think that when Gen Welsh gives us his word, his successor will honor that. Only time will tell.

Maybe, maybe not. Look how the Masters requirement for promotion keeps changing almost every CSAF.

Edited August 3, 201510 yr by Azimuth

The dude worked his ass off only to find out only 2 weeks before drop that starting with our class 2 unlucky souls were getting reap'd, when there was absolutely nothing anyone could do at that point to increase their MASS (sp?) scores. I feel bad for him in that regard, but they are telling us that they will get a fixed wing after they are done with the RPA tour. He will be okay.

I agree, the right thing to do would have been to pull those guys aside and say, "prepare yourself". Dropping that bomb in front of everyone had to be done, but yeah, it could have been handled a little better.

I don't get it. So if he had known from the beginning of UPT that UAVs were an option he would have "worked his ass off" harder? Working his ass off like he did obviously earned him in the bottom two of his class so there should be some motivation to not end up there, UAV or not in the drop.

I don't get it. So if he had known from the beginning of UPT that UAVs were an option he would have "worked his ass off" harder? Working his ass off like he did obviously earned him in the bottom two of his class so there should be some motivation to not end up there, UAV or not in the drop.

...here we go again

As soon as "don't fear the reaper" was playing in the background, he pretty much knew right then.

We'll be able to fly

Edited August 4, 201510 yr by 12xu2a3x3

As soon as "don't fear the reaper" was playing in the background, he pretty much knew right then. On the long walk back to the rest of class, you could tell he was trying to hold it back. I kept taking occasional looks behind me to see how he was doing. Some sobbing, but nothing gross I would say. I didn't see him the rest of the night.

The dude worked his ass off only to find out only 2 weeks before drop that starting with our class 2 unlucky souls were getting reap'd, when there was absolutely nothing anyone could do at that point to increase their MASS (sp?) scores. I feel bad for him in that regard, but they are telling us that they will get a fixed wing after they are done with the RPA tour. He will be okay.

I agree, the right thing to do would have been to pull those guys aside and say, "prepare yourself". Dropping that bomb in front of everyone had to be done, but yeah, it could have been handled a little better.

"No way to raise your MASS" after hearing about RPAs? I'm kind of glad that the threat is real again, it will light a fire under entitled students who think all they need to do is show up, warm a seat, and they are entitled to wings. There was no real incentive to do well. You bomb UPT and you get an E-3 to Tinker.... oh no. Tell me how TERRIBLE that type rating in a four engine Boeing heavy is. Oklahoma city? That sounds horrible. I can't believe they would make you PCS to Alaska, Germany, or Japan after that! Now there's a real penalty for doing poorly in UPT. There is also talk of RPAs not being directly tied to MASS. What that means it the shitbag with the poor attitude but decent hands still isn't safe.

"No way to raise your MASS" after hearing about RPAs? I'm kind of glad that the threat is real again, it will light a fire under entitled students who think all they need to do is show up, warm a seat, and they are entitled to wings. There was no real incentive to do well. You bomb UPT and you get an E-3 to Tinker.... oh no. Tell me how TERRIBLE that type rating in a four engine Boeing heavy is. Oklahoma city? That sounds horrible. I can't believe they would make you PCS to Alaska, Germany, or Japan after that! Now there's a real penalty for doing poorly in UPT. There is also talk of RPAs not being directly tied to MASS. What that means it the shitbag with the poor attitude but decent hands still isn't safe.

the penalty of washing out was good enough for me. as a taxpayer, i'm disappointed that a UPT syllabus is spent only to have someone fly a drone. as a human, I empathize with a guy or gal that signed up for ten years of service largely to fly airplanes. I'm old and crusty now, and am generally the first guy to turn the music down and yell "get off my lawn", but i don't think the perpetrators of the "entitled generation" are the ones volunteering for the military when nationalism is low and the private sector is hiring.

the penalty of washing out was good enough for me. as a taxpayer, i'm disappointed that a UPT syllabus is spent only to have someone fly a drone. as a human, I empathize with a guy or gal that signed up for ten years of service largely to fly airplanes. I'm old and crusty now, and am generally the first guy to turn the music down and yell "get off my lawn", but i don't think the perpetrators of the "entitled generation" are the ones volunteering for the military when nationalism is low and the private sector is hiring.

You'd be surprised at some of the students going through UPT right now. Not all, not most, but some.

You'd be surprised at some of the students going through UPT right now. Not all, not most, but some.

Meh, you're probably right.