dream big Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, panchbarnes said: At least one non-rated select on the list is toxic and unqualified. Very disappointing. Ah but I'm sure his records were pristine, that's apparently what matters. I wonder why they don't incorporate a boarded interview for promotions (at least Lt Col and above.). Not saying the toxic wouldn't slip through the cracks but maybe then you could get a "whole" person view of the officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panchbarnes Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, dream big said: Ah but I'm sure his records were pristine, that's apparently what matters. I wonder why they don't incorporate a boarded interview for promotions (at least Lt Col and above.). Not saying the toxic wouldn't slip through the cracks but maybe then you could get a "whole" person view of the officer? #1 strats down the left, expert volunteer even as an FGO. I don't think an interview would have changed anything. The pristine records were the results of checking the right boxes and having the right mentors. Job knowledge and leadership not required. Edited May 25, 2017 by panchbarnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Ops was out-promoted by support....I have no words. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, di1630 said: Ops was out-promoted by support....I have no words. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums How did you come to this conclusion? There hasn't been anything posted to static reports yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, di1630 said: Ops was out-promoted by support....I have no words. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 How did you come to this conclusion? There hasn't been anything posted to static reports yet.Numbers are out there now. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Really shows which positions we value for promotion and how poorly DOING the mission counts. Poor CSO's and ABM's need to get planning more Xmas parties to compete with the 7:30-4:30 crowd. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedont Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Rogers calls for separate “Space Corps” within the Air Force - http://spacenews.com/rogers-calls-for-separate-space-corps-within-the-air-force/ All pilots will become space cadets. After completing Space Camp in residence, our numbers for promotion will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Data point: 11M, patch, 11 years in ops squadrons, 1000+ combat hours, clean record, highly effective instructor, NATO staff.....not selected. Any doubts on what the USAF values? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 27 minutes ago, gearpig said: So Mission Support is promoted at higher percentages and actual numbers than Pilots while the total numbers of both groups meeting the board are within 1%. And even moreso than Ops as a whole. This within days of the AF Chief of Staff holding national level meetings about his pilot retention "crisis". There are no words to accurately convey the sheer stupidity of it all. For any reasonably intelligent aviator sitting on the fence this should tell you ALL you need to know. Get. Out. NOW! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupafly06 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 40% IPZ picked up at my location. Blood bath indeed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Data point: 11M, patch, 11 years in ops squadrons, 1000+ combat hours, clean record, highly effective instructor, NATO staff.....not selected. Any doubts on what the USAF values?This is interesting. P or DP? IDE? Negative marks on record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Just now, Lstcause257 said: This is interesting. P or DP? IDE? Negative marks on record? P. IDE (correspondence, but that's not supposed to matter says AF leadership...we all know the truth though). No negatives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bode Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network ForumsSo how do you become the individual that is IDE complete w/ a DP and not get selected? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lstcause257 said: So how do you become the individual that is IDE complete w/ a DP and not get selected? ...by having a P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di1630 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Data point: 11M, patch, 11 years in ops squadrons, 1000+ combat hours, clean record, highly effective instructor, NATO staff.....not selected. Any doubts on what the USAF values?Geeezus...but have you planned an Xmas party?This would be like Apple telling the engineers who design the next iPhone that they have a statistically worse shot at advancement than the person who line up food services or orders copy machine paper for the company. I'm appalled. I've been telling pilots on the fence to stick around as things are improving. I'm thinking I might be out to f-cking lunch. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Data point: 11M, patch, 11 years in ops squadrons, 1000+ combat hours, clean record, highly effective instructor, NATO staff.....not selected. Any doubts on what the USAF values?Minus the patch part, I can name at least 5 individuals in the KC-10 community with similar stats who were not selected for O-5 on the last 3-4 boards. All of them are people I would follow into combat.I can also name several who were selected for O-5...I would never follow them into combat except for morbid curiosity. Thankfully all of them are stuck on staff for the rest of their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedont Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, di1630 said: Geeezus...but have you planned an Xmas party? This would be like Apple telling the engineers who design the next iPhone that they have a statistically worse shot at advancement than the person who line up food services or orders copy machine paper for the company. I'm appalled. I've been telling pilots on the fence to stick around as things are improving. I'm thinking I might be out to f-cking lunch. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums You are that crusty guy with all the knowledge. I let the Lts know what is going on and you have to do whats best for you. I tell them straight up I did not take the bonus. A 5 year bonus isn't the answer anymore. I don't care about being a Lt Col when my IPZ is in 2019. I'll be at my 19 year mark (prior E..4 years). I'm that guy who wont do ACSC either because I'm tired of school. A capt I mentored as a Lt when I was his Flt/CC told the CC he is getting out. I said noooooooo! Don't ever show your hand. He was like I know you told me not to say anything. I know why he spilled the beans. As a Flt/CC he is trying to implement changes and he doesn't see eye to eye with the boss. I'm like man, you have to pick your battles. If a CC doesn't want to make his organization better you should accept it and move on. Dont take it personally or stress about it. That's why I admire this capt because these are the leadership types we need. Edited May 25, 2017 by hatedont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupafly06 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) In all seriousness how are your communities treating passed over O-4s? Are they the crusty, experienced IPs/EPs dispensing wisdom to the ever increasing inexperienced young 'uns or are they the punching bags picking up every crap detail and 365? I say this being a passed over dude myself. Edited May 25, 2017 by soupafly06 Clarity meant O-4 not O-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeTheSheeple Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Lstcause257 said: So how do you become the individual that is IDE complete w/ a DP and not get selected? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk From what I've seen in the past, senior raters try to use their [edit: excess] DPs to push through good folks who otherwise wouldn't get a serious look--too many years flying the line (especially in the same Sq), or Art 15/LOR for shenanigans as a CGO. Edited May 25, 2017 by WeTheSheeple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseAg03 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Someone tell me how Mission Support and Non-Rated Ops without IDE complete were promoted at significantly higher rates. I would think those who aren't on the road 200 days a year would have less of an excuse to get PME done and should be punished on the promotion board.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeTheSheeple Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said: Someone tell me how Mission Support and Non-Rated Ops without IDE complete were promoted at significantly higher rates. I would think those who aren't on the road 200 days a year would have less of an excuse to get PME done and should be punished on the promotion board. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Most likely selects off the O-4 board just finishing ACSC. AETC student board gives most folks a P, even the shiny pennies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDDieselPilot Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Can someone point me to the actual list? I feel like a dumbazz.. it's not front page on my.af.mil (why aren't officer promotions ever posted there, yet E's always are?) and I can't seem to find it on mypers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve C Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 minute ago, MDDieselPilot said: Can someone point me to the actual list? I feel like a dumbazz.. it's not front page on my.af.mil (why aren't officer promotions ever posted there, yet E's always are?) and I can't seem to find it on mypers. MyPERS>Promotion>Promotion Select Lists>LAF>0517A ... or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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