38 minutes ago, bennynova said:

It’s super important; the earlier in your life, the better; it trumps Lt Strats 

Once you get on the HPO train, it's tough to get derailed.  The sooner you get on that HPO train, the better.

22 hours ago, Danger41 said:

 the Bobs at corporate want?

They want younger versions of themselves.

The system worked for them, therefore the system must be good.

I quote again from The Talking Heads, "Same as it ever was..."

The new and improved two-line PRF is a sop so that it looks like "they are doing something."  And for the drones at A1, et al, it was a way to get The Man off their collective back and earn themselves one of those coveted strats.

This is no different than the switch from the old weighted OERs to the new and improved "meets standard" OPR/PRF, and so on back to 1947.  And before that back to the founding of our military officer corps.  Largely, who you know along with luck/timing rules and always will.

Make informed decisions knowing the rules of the game whether written or not.  

Edited July 31, 20196 yr by brickhistory

2 hours ago, di1630 said:

DG ROTC? What in the foooook? Really?

1 strat that captures 4 years against your peers?  I’d buy it over SOS.

Wasn’t there talk of moving officers to a static closeout?  Seems like that would close the loopholes on the strat game even further and allow everyone to be racked and stacked equitably once a year.

9 hours ago, bennynova said:

I’ve got some 1BPZ PRFs that made it.  Here is what an HPO looks like   

 

DG ROTC, DG SOS (#7/800); WIC Paper (#1/130); Gp FGOY (#1/101)

#9/160 CGOs (Gp/CC)

#5/250 Capts (Wg/CC)

#1/160 Capts (Deployed/CC)

#5/180 Majs (Wg/CC)

#1/150 Majs (Wg/CC)

#1/220 Majs (Wg/CC

#1/60 BPZ eligibles; best I have; Sq/CC after CAF fellowship; SDE; JCS. dP

I had 2 consecutive #1/150 Majs from Wg CC plus #3/270 CGOs and #2/80 Jt O-4s at a Joint Command, finishing behind only an Army infantrymen on the way to Battalion Command; same push, no commission DG, no SOS DG and I did not make it 1BPZ.  If there was such thing as a late bloomer, it would be me -- truth is you can't make BPZ as a late bloomer.  Fine by me.  7 more years until check of the month club.  

On 7/30/2019 at 4:04 PM, drewpey said:

Holy shit, this is what OPRs are "supposed" to look like?   AD kids being sent to Guard units as a first assignment are FUCKED!   Well...besides pretty much having a guaranteed job in a few years when they can get out.  

 

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Not having a MSM going into IPZ as a major is unfortunate

I guess I don't understand this and it seems to be a complete devaluation of medals.  I once got a MSM (as a Capt) because the OG at the time was passed over for O-6 the first time for not having a MSM.  A few months later, the whole damn squadron got MSMs so this didn't happen to any of us.  I guess he thought he was "taking care" of us.  Fast forward a few years and we get a WG/CC from another base.  Now a Major, he loses it when he sees that I have 2xMSMs and no Commendation medal.  Guess who now has a commendation medal.  Again, what a fucked up system!  

Note:  Before this I had never heard that it was customary that Capt get AFCM and Majors get MSMs.

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1 hour ago, SocialD said:

Holy shit, this is what OPRs are "supposed" to look like?   AD kids being sent to Guard units as a first assignment are FUCKED!   Well...besides pretty much having a guaranteed job in a few years when they can get out.  

PRFs, not OPRs.  Each of those strats is likely from a single OPR.

On 10/7/2018 at 9:15 PM, MDDieselPilot said:

Sounds like lots of us are in the same boat. 

I've had consistent strats since my 2nd OPR, several yearly's, 3 FGOQs up to the 2-star level, 2x DG , was an evaluator, 1500 combat hrs, never bought a checkride downgrade and no PFT busts.  I honestly thought I was squarely in the middle of the bell curve.  I guess I can GTFO, though.. which I will gladly do.

Haven't been in this thread since I was passed over IPZ last year, but I got picked up 1 above (O5). The O6 who made it happen (I think) moved so I haven't had a chance to ask him how he did it, but I'm convinced he went to our 2 star SR and made a case for me.. my record definitely didn't change 😄. Oh well, more money I suppose. 

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by MDDieselPilot

8 hours ago, pawnman said:

PRFs, not OPRs.  Each of those strats is likely from a single OPR.

Makes sense...I've never even seen a PRF.  

50 minutes ago, SocialD said:

Makes sense...I've never even seen a PRF.  

UNREAL...

i think i speak for most when I say that!

Makes sense...I've never even seen a PRF.  

I have done 1 or 2 over my 27 yrs. They were for O-5 ROPMA boards. Not a common occurrence.


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I just did a PRF last year for my IMA, he was somewhat familiar with them.   Why are they so uncommon in whatever world you are In?

 

also, where/when do we find out results of the 0-5 reserve board?

I just did a PRF last year for my IMA, he was somewhat familiar with them.   Why are they so uncommon in whatever world you are In?
 
also, where/when do we find out results of the 0-5 reserve board?

ANG. Probably because we do Position Vacancy and ROPMA promotions which doesn’t exist on AD.



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8 minutes ago, bennynova said:

I just did a PRF last year for my IMA, he was somewhat familiar with them.   Why are they so uncommon in whatever world you are In?

 

also, where/when do we find out results of the 0-5 reserve board?

What herkbum said.  PV and ROPMA are how we get promoted.  We have to have up to date OPRs but no PRFs (maybe for ROPMA).  Our base has recently started requiring interviews for O-5, but not for O-4 or below.  Herk may have better insight into what happens next   All I know is it's sent up to state or NGB then it's usually 6-9 months before federal recognition happens which means you can pin on.  

37 minutes ago, SocialD said:

We have to have up to date OPRs but no PRFs (maybe for ROPMA).

In the ANG, PRFs are required for ROPMA to O-5 (pretty sure for ROPMA to O-4 as well).

1 hour ago, BattleRattle said:

In the ANG, PRFs are required for ROPMA to O-5 (pretty sure for ROPMA to O-4 as well).

I recently-ish did ROPMA to O4 and did not have a PRF that I as aware of. Then again, my old unit also sent me to that board without telling me (I was under the mistaken impression I had another year), and also with my package (sts) missing my 2x latest OPRs. 😆

Aaaand I still got picked up so hey, anyone with a pulse has a chance in the Guard baby! It was a 96% selection rate for my AFSC at the time (12S) on that board, so I'm glad to know I'm not in the bottom 4% of my peer group.

That being said, while I did get picked up, I also max performed O3 by doing the full 7 years which was obv less $$ in the bank and also put me well "behind" where my year group bros who stayed on active duty were. ROPMA giveth and ROPMA maketh thee wait I guess is the moral of the story.

Another random datapoint from the peanut gallery: 7.269 years active duty (AFSOC) and 4.69 years in the Guard (AFSOC and now ACC) and I've never seen a PRF. Only people I know who had were either execs or were themselves being promoted to O4/O5 and were "doing it live."

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by nsplayr

I just did a PRF last year for my IMA, he was somewhat familiar with them.   Why are they so uncommon in whatever world you are In?
 
also, where/when do we find out results of the 0-5 reserve board?

Last year it was released the 3rd week of August. Expecting the same this year.

What herkbum said.  PV and ROPMA are how we get promoted.  We have to have up to date OPRs but no PRFs (maybe for ROPMA).  Our base has recently started requiring interviews for O-5, but not for O-4 or below.  Herk may have better insight into what happens next   All I know is it's sent up to state or NGB then it's usually 6-9 months before federal recognition happens which means you can pin on.  

Promos up to Maj (since all rated positions are Maj positions)-individual is recommended for promo and signed/submitted by SQ/CC to FSS. Promo then usually goes to JFHQ for state approval. JFHQ then sends to NGB for Fed Rec. Once Fed Rec approved, NGB sends promo order back down thru JFHQ to FSS and SQ/CC. This usually occurs monthly.


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Speaking of ANG promotions, the state just told me the ANG O-4 board should be released here within a week or so.


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On 7/30/2019 at 3:04 PM, drewpey said:

Not having a MSM going into IPZ as a major is unfortunate

Fact.  My friend - a boarded cyberspace operations sq DO.  He led the unit through some of the missions I've posted in the Cyber thread.  You know, the ones in the new york times, and CYBERCOM is briefing Congress about....MSM didn't make it into his records (shitty CC didn't bother to make sure it happened)...passed over.

Thankfully he's hitting the supplemental...but really?

an Added MSM May do it...

But, they are hard to get promoted in.  They take 10 records below cut line and 10 above.

 

your record has to beat something like all 10 below the cut and a few above the cut.

Edited August 2, 20196 yr by bennynova

5 minutes ago, bennynova said:

But, they are hard to get promoted in.  They take 10 records below cut line and 10 above.

 

your record has to beat something like all 10 below the cut and a few above the cut.

Not entirely correct. 10 records total...5 above and 5 below...needs to beat out all 5 below the cut or any 1 record above the cut. Much higher chance of promotion from a special selection board than above the zone! 

14 minutes ago, Notarobot said:

Not entirely correct. 10 records total...5 above and 5 below...needs to beat out all 5 below the cut or any 1 record above the cut. Much higher chance of promotion from a special selection board than above the zone! 

Thanks for the clarification.  I knew I was “close”

On 7/30/2019 at 6:25 PM, pawnman said:

When was that?  My year group had two people in it for the whole base, both B-1 guys... Me and a pilot.  Up north was similarly thin.  

94 year group and I went to school (ROKAF ACSC) in 2009

On 8/1/2019 at 9:19 PM, herkbum said:

 

Promos up to Maj (since all rated positions are Maj positions)-individual is recommended for promo and signed/submitted by SQ/CC to FSS. Promo then usually goes to JFHQ for state approval. JFHQ then sends to NGB for Fed Rec. Once Fed Rec approved, NGB sends promo order back down thru JFHQ to FSS and SQ/CC. This usually occurs monthly.


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Yes for PV- to include O-5...

For Ropma all our pilots (4/4)were picked up for O-5 in the recently released ANG board. 2 had pme done, 2 didn’t. The stats will posted at some point but I have a feeling the ANG will continue to promote non pme complete major pilots to O-5 for the foreseeable future. Very different story for AFRC/AD.

Edited August 3, 20196 yr by genie90
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9 hours ago, genie90 said:

...but I have a feeling the ANG will continue to promote non pme complete major pilots to O-5 for the foreseeable future.

I'm banking on it!  🤞

I'll let you know how it turns out in a couple of years.