Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[SocialD]

2 minutes ago, Guardian said:

No. DSG on orders bonus. This year min orders is one year for 15k.

 

2 minutes ago, Guardian said:

And i think you have to have specific orders. Like school house IP. Etc.

 

Ah ok, you had be confused with the "part-time" in there.  My brain doesn't think part time for a guy on a year of orders, but it makes sense now.  There was a rumor a few years ago about a true part time (not on orders) bonus.  Never believed it would happen but you had me thinking I missed the boat on that.  Ya the 15k bonus has been floating around and we have at least one guy on that with alert orders or maybe MPA days we get to train our AD wingmen.  

[Guardian]

Sorry. When I talk part timer I mean what job position they fill not how much they work. My bad. There is a DSG bonus for guys who pick up orders.

[BADFNZ]

7 hours ago, SocialD said:

 

Still?  I guess I'm confused...are you saying the ANG has a bonus for just being a part timer/DSG?  As in, I just do UTAs/AFTPs and I get a bonus?  If we've already had this, then I'm gonna be pretty pissed that I missed out on this.  

This is what AFRC has for TRs.  I just want to know if there is an ADSC, but not AD.

Edit to add that this is only for certain airframes and locations.

Edited March 24, 2021 by BADFNZ

[slc]

Current AFRC TR 4 yr bonus taker here.  Received first years 10k bonus in February (for last year).  Can straight min run if i desire.  AT, TP, UTA etc.  No commitment. If i retire, i just lose out on current snd subsequent year bonus.  I find it interesting (well not really) that this years bonus offering went down to 8k

[Craftsman]

Heard an interesting pure rumor from leadership. There may be a VSP this fall for FGO types. Reasoning too many FGO’s. 🤔 

[pawnman]

Just now, Craftsman said:

Heard an interesting pure rumor from leadership. There may be a VSP this fall for FGO types. Reasoning too many FGO’s. 🤔 

Starting with 11Rs?

[CaptainMorgan]

Heard an interesting pure rumor from leadership. There may be a VSP this fall for FGO types. Reasoning too many FGO’s.  

I doubt there will be a VSP for pilots. Maybe other career fields, but the bonus take rate has been consistently lower than their stated goal.


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[FLEA]

1 hour ago, CaptainMorgan said:

I doubt there will be a VSP for pilots. Maybe other career fields, but the bonus take rate has been consistently lower than their stated goal.


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I dunno. 11Rs have a good shot actually. They are 120% right now and AFPC has no intention of letting them x train. 

[CaptainMorgan]

I dunno. 11Rs have a good shot actually. They are 120% right now and AFPC has no intention of letting them x train. 

They don’t have to let them x train to send them to UPT, which is still undermanned.


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[raimius]

3 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

They don’t have to let them x train to send them to UPT, which is still undermanned.


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Assign everyone to Laughlin.  That should fix your "over manning" problem right quick.

[FLEA]

9 hours ago, raimius said:

Assign everyone to Laughlin.  That should fix your "over manning" problem right quick.

Doesn't really work that way. Your core afsc doesn't change when you go to UPT. You are still an 11R on paper (and as it is, 11Rs are still filling a huge gap of UPT billets for the size community they are). 

So many of those manning overages on paper are pilots already assigned to UPT. Trust me, 11Rs have been filling their fair share of these for quite some time. Most recently to the detriment of the ops squadrons due to the AETC prohibition on AC waivers. 

[CaptainMorgan]

I think he means they’ll 7 day opt...


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[Boomer6]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

Most recently to the detriment of the ops squadrons due to the AETC prohibition on AC waivers. 

Can you expand on this? Are you taking about the “must be an AC with x number of hours” rule required for crew aircraft pilots to qualify for PIT, or something else w.r.t AC waivers?

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Boomer6 said:

Can you expand on this? Are you taking about the “must be an AC with x number of hours” rule required for crew aircraft pilots to qualify for PIT, or something else w.r.t AC waivers?

Yeah I'm referring to the PIT waivers. Not the soul cause of problems, just a contributing factor. 

 

Anyway my overarching point is HAF/A1 rarely makes decisions that make any sense. Whether 11Rs are offered a VSP or not, I'm certain we are all going to be left jaw dropped wondering "why?" 

[raimius]

10 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:

I think he means they’ll 7 day opt...


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Ding!

[Sprkt69]

18 hours ago, FLEA said:Anyway my overarching point is HAF/A1 rarely makes decisions that make any sense. Whether 11Rs are offered a VSP or not, I'm certain we are all going to be left jaw dropped wondering "why?" 

From a friend at HAF, pilots are also planned to be cut in the VSP/RIF as they are “nothing special”

The good news is that the airlines are starting to hire again

[FLEA]

Does anyone remember how long you have to get our after accepting VSP? I can't remember if it's 6 months or until the end of the FY. 

6 months just seems like a firehose to seperate and removes the ability to get into programs like CSB. 

[pawnman]

7 hours ago, Sprkt69 said:

From a friend at HAF, pilots are also planned to be cut in the VSP/RIF as they are “nothing special”

The good news is that the airlines are starting to hire again

Good to see we've learned our lesson in the last 10 years.

How long until CSAF is testifying about a pilot shortage to Congress again?

[jazzdude]

Does anyone remember how long you have to get our after accepting VSP? I can't remember if it's 6 months or until the end of the FY. 
6 months just seems like a firehose to seperate and removes the ability to get into programs like CSB. 

I think timelines vary with the specific VSP offering. I want to say 6 months is the lowest they can go (and maybe the individual can request a faster separation), but too lazy to look it up.

VSP and RIF both aim to reduce manning quickly (to make the budget).

Almost all the transition programs are a nice to have. The VSP/RIF payouts replaces those nice to have transition programs with cash.

TAP is the only program I can think of that's mandated, and there's always the GI Bill as well to help with transition to civilian life.

[Smokin]

If you have a job lined up, have built a job transition money buffer, and are otherwise ready, six months is plenty.  If you just want out and are pulling the handle while hoping for the best, six months is pretty short if you have a family to feed.

[Bode]

If I take the bonus this year ($15k) and it jumps next year can I renegotiate or am I stuck with the current amount?


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[HeloDude]

Just now, Bode said:

If I take the bonus this year ($15k) and it jumps next year can I renegotiate or am I stuck with the current amount?


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Current amount...with the rare exception if in the new/future bonus it allows you to sign the new one for more pay/longer time period.  Something like this happened for us that initially took the bonus in 2014.

[Homestar]

3 hours ago, Bode said:

If I take the bonus this year ($15k) and it jumps next year can I renegotiate or am I stuck with the current amount?


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Depends on how it’s written next year. In 2014 I signed the bonus for 5 years. In 2015 I was allowed to renegotiate to 20 YAS.  

[CaptainMorgan]

Depends on how it’s written next year. In 2014 I signed the bonus for 5 years. In 2015 I was allowed to renegotiate to 20 YAS.  

IIRC, the “renegotiations” I was offered the last two years required a 3 year minimum extension (I already took it to 20), and only affected the $ amount for the tacked on years.


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[Bender]

Yeah I'm referring to the PIT waivers. Not the soul cause of problems, just a contributing factor. 

I think experience requirement to teach in primary training is a good thing. Is it set correctly, I don’t know. Do I like them enforcing what they have, yes.

I don’t think we do a good enough job training our FAIPs for what we ask of them...which, in my opinion, is a lot.

Also, f&$k a VSP...I’d consider a TERA to help my country out of its shit sandwich, but I’ve sacrificed plenty already...

~Bendy


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