March 26, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Guardian said: This is the kind of junk you get from someone that works hand in hand with fingers. We won’t get anywhere with Fingers at the helm. Quick someone give him a private sector advisory job that gives him the label VP, gives him 250k a year, and allows him not to show up for work. (Pretty much what he does now). Schwartz still owns some blame for a lot of this backwards culture we have now. I really hope he goes to fly for Delta 🤣
March 26, 20196 yr 13 hours ago, norskman said: WTF over?.... I love when FW dudes treat us like disposable assets. You do realize that it takes years ( just like a pointy nose driver ) to develop a solid helo IP? Just because the Big Green doesn't have SA on their manning issues doesn't make us worthless. No, I personally don’t think you’re disposable. I respect the hell out of helo guys. My guess above is that the Army historically views helo drivers as more disposable than the Air Force does. Several hundred helicopters lost in Afghanistan; 5600 in Vietnam. The AF saw similar Vietnam losses (2200) and started a lot of work (to include the Weapons School) to Fix the problem. My perception is that the Army didn’t do as much because aviation isn’t what their leadership cares the most about. They can accept obscene helicopter losses more than the AF can accept obscene fighter losses. Thus they care even less about retaining their pilots and don’t want to pay them more.
March 26, 20196 yr So to summarize, if you’re at the end of your commitment and you like what you’re doing and where your career is going and the lifestyle fits your family, sign the bonus and enjoy the ride. If not, there is no miraculous turn around on the horizon, punch and be proud of your service. The future fix is production, higher ups are looking at the data and it’s too long gone to pump resources in the outflow to right that ship. They are betting ops tempo turns down and the pivot to near peer brings more tdys and training to places that aren’t a worthless sandbox so us sheep don’t complain as much. All those things that tactical level value ie experience gained from real world application is just an FTL or K code on a spread sheet to them. Need more? Waive the requirements increase production. Production solutions stands as the easiest to them and most profitable to the defense industry and will be the mantra as long as they have a budget friendly to them.
March 26, 20196 yr Hell and to top it off, the army is giving a helo pilot the nod. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/03/26/army-four-star-nominated-next-chief-staff.html #ALLpilotsmatter Edited March 26, 20196 yr by Guest
March 26, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, LookieRookie said: The director of the ACTF will be doing an AMA on Reddit on 4 April. As you see, no more “Crisis” in the ACTF.
March 26, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Sprkt69 said: As you see, no more “Crisis” in the ACTF. Not if you read his bio. Says his job is head of the “Aircrew Crisis Task Force”.
March 27, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, LookieRookie said: The director of the ACTF will be doing an AMA on Reddit Smart doing it on Reddit. Pilots will be less inclined to discuss pay in public especially in front of other AFSCs and enlisted who don’t have such a large wage gap on the outside. I wonder why they don’t have AMAs over medical officer’s retention?
March 27, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, Danger41 said: Not if you read his bio. Says his job is head of the “Aircrew Crisis Task Force”. The Bio is current as of Aug 2018. Taking out the “Crisis” is a much newer thing because “Crisis” is much too negative.
March 27, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Klepto said: Smart doing it on Reddit. Pilots will be less inclined to discuss pay in public especially in front of other AFSCs and enlisted who don’t have such a large wage gap on the outside. I wonder why they don’t have AMAs over medical officer’s retention? Not me. I'll discuss it all day long.
March 27, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Klepto said: Smart doing it on Reddit. Ah. This is the same day Sec. Wilson and Gen. Goldfein give their testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee. So this AMA is damage control. Makes sense now. Edited March 27, 20196 yr by Klepto
March 27, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said: Several hundred helicopters lost in Afghanistan Wait, what? Do you have a link to support this claim?
March 27, 20196 yr 20 minutes ago, HeloDude said: Wait, what? Do you have a link to support this claim? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Iraq_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan
March 27, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Majestik Møøse said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Iraq_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan Dude, did you even read your own source? You're not even close to several hundred.
March 27, 20196 yr 11 hours ago, Klepto said: . I wonder why they don’t have AMAs over medical officer’s retention? Medical officers are completely necessary, but it’s not called the Doctor Force.
March 27, 20196 yr 8 hours ago, HeloDude said: Dude, did you even read your own source? You're not even close to several hundred. Yes. This study cited by the Wikipedia links above says 375. Maybe it’s wrong, maybe our definitions of “several” vary. It also says only 2100 helos were shot down in Vietnam, so who the fuck knows. Either way, my original point stands. Pilot losses aren’t as damaging to the Army as they are to the Air Force. https://vtol.org/files/dmfile/rotorcraftSafetyPaper1.pdf
March 27, 20196 yr 31 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said: Maybe it’s wrong Correct. Didnt 'several hundred' helicopters lost in Afghanistan seem just a 'little' bit high to you? And if you don't think the Army is concerned about their pilot shortage as well then you're wrong. The Army gives a higher annual bonus to Apache pilots than some AF fixed wing pilots. https://www.military.com/defensetech/2018/09/05/army-paying-out-35000-bonuses-reduce-apache-pilot-shortage.html
March 27, 20196 yr 3 hours ago, matmacwc said: Medical officers are completely necessary, but it’s not called the Doctor Force. And yet they are compensated better. Interesting! Edited March 27, 20196 yr by Klepto
March 27, 20196 yr 6 hours ago, HeloDude said: Correct. Didnt 'several hundred' helicopters lost in Afghanistan seem just a 'little' bit high to you? And if you don't think the Army is concerned about their pilot shortage as well then you're wrong. The Army gives a higher annual bonus to Apache pilots than some AF fixed wing pilots. https://www.military.com/defensetech/2018/09/05/army-paying-out-35000-bonuses-reduce-apache-pilot-shortage.html Someone who cares more than me correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure any pilot in the AF can sign for a $35K a year bonus now.
March 27, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Someone who cares more than me correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure any pilot in the AF can sign for a $35K a year bonus now. False. Only certain AFSCs get the full $35k/yr. Helo pilot bonuses have decreased the past two years, and are back to $25k/yr, for example.
March 28, 20196 yr 5 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Someone who cares more than me correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure any pilot in the AF can sign for a $35K a year bonus now. 11R's only get 30K unless they sign up for an additional 10-12 years. https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1737932/air-force-announces-fiscal-year-2019-aviation-bonuses/
April 2, 20196 yr 48 minutes ago, Merle Dixon said: See page 16 of this report. The $35k per year retention bonus is laughable when compared to the cost to train you to become a mission qualified wingman or mission qualified co-pilot... https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR2400/RR2415/RAND_RR2415.pdf Recommendation pushes $100K/year for the cap Vice the current $35K. Not that it matters. This is the same organization that won’t allow renegotiated amounts but will gladly let you add three years at the current joke of an amount; no way they offer the max if it does go up.
April 2, 20196 yr It’s also the organization that won’t pay us an extra $300/mo in flight pay when we pass 10 years. If we’re not worth an extra $3,600/yr, then we’re not worth an extra $65k per year.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
April 3, 20196 yr They failed to cite my sos paper from 2013 which said the same thing. My guess is they’ll get the 100k bonus in 2023. #toolittletoolate.
April 3, 20196 yr I think another factor is today's "everyone's equal" culture propagated through the AF. How is Amn Bagodicks down at Finance going to feel when he finds out pilots are getting $100K a year on top of their normal salaries?
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