Ramping up against the Houthis in Yemem

[GKinnear]

2 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

We might be advocating for different things... I'm suggesting (and I think Gkinnear agrees) that the only real solution is the forced relocation of the Palestinians out of Gaza (or I suppose the slaughter of all Israeli Jews). At which point Israel can do whatever they want with it. 

To my knowledge this has not been tried yet. 

I agree with almost everything stated here...the only thing is "Palestinians".  If you said HAMAS instead, then yes absolutely, no white-space between our positions. 

But the non-HAMAS tolerant Palestinian civilians are an issue to figure out.  I've seen some media reporting about some small-scale protests against HAMAS happening, but not enough yet.  However, I'd like to give them the chance to throw off the shackles of HAMAS oppression and join the international community as Israeli citizens...who happens to grant full citizenship to "Palestinians" people who choose to live in peaceful coexistence under Israeli rule.

[Lord Ratner]

53 minutes ago, GKinnear said:

I agree with almost everything stated here...the only thing is "Palestinians".  If you said HAMAS instead, then yes absolutely, no white-space between our positions. 

But the non-HAMAS tolerant Palestinian civilians are an issue to figure out.  I've seen some media reporting about some small-scale protests against HAMAS happening, but not enough yet.  However, I'd like to give them the chance to throw off the shackles of HAMAS oppression and join the international community as Israeli citizens...who happens to grant full citizenship to "Palestinians" people who choose to live in peaceful coexistence under Israeli rule.

Being against Hamas is not the relevant metric. By the time of October 7th I believe Hamas had already lost a support of the majority of the Palestinians living in Gaza as political leadership. 

However there was practically no daylight between the "citizens" of Gaza and Hamas on the key issue: October 7th was to be celebrated and the Jews are to be killed. 

 

To further clarify using your distinction, I believe that Hamas needs to be exterminated with lethal force. I believe the people of Gaza (who have not individually murdered Jews, but pray for it daily) must be forcibly relocated from Gaza to another part of the world where they are with and/or surrounded by other Muslims.

 

We could not exist peacefully with Mexico as a neighbor if a core identity of the Mexicans was the religious calling to murder, rape, and otherwise dominate Americans.

 

And yes, of course an alternate solution would be to move the Israelis, but since they have no stated or apparent desire to rape and murder every Palestinian they can find, I think they get the benefit of the doubt.

Edited 4 hours ago by Lord Ratner

[GKinnear]

29 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Being against Hamas is not the relevant metric. By the time of October 7th I believe Hamas had already lost a support of the majority of the Palestinians living in Gaza as political leadership. 

However there was practically no daylight between the "citizens" of Gaza and Hamas on the key issue: October 7th was to be celebrated and the Jews are to be killed. 

 

To further clarify using your distinction, I believe that Hamas needs to be exterminated with lethal force. I believe the people of Gaza (who have not individually murdered Jews, but pray for it daily) must be forcibly relocated from Gaza to another part of the world where they are with and/or surrounded by other Muslims.

 

We could not exist peacefully with Mexico as a neighbor if a core identity of the Mexicans was the religious calling to murder, rape, and otherwise dominate Americans.

 

And yes, of course an alternate solution would be to move the Israelis, but since they have no stated or apparent desire to rape and murder every Palestinian they can find, I think they get the benefit of the doubt.

I may disagree with the intensity of your statement, but not the overall point you're making.

If the non-HAMAS Palestinians want to take a stand against that death-loving cult, then they need to do it...otherwise, they are unfortunately guilty by association.