The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[gearhog]

31 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Sorry dude, but you're being willfully obtuse if you can't see how a crowd of people trying to force their way into *any* structure that is being defended by law enforcement, knowing full well that their presence in that building is not welcome, and that their numbers require the use of lethal force to satisfy the concept of proportionality, would be setting themselves up for a fatal interaction.

Our system doesn't work if it has to be designed for the dumbest people amongst us. This concept is why we have such a litigious society now, where you can sue McDonald's because you didn't realize your cup of coffee was too hot. If it is unreasonable to assume that breaking through a window and crawling through with a literal rioting crowd behind you into the line of fire of a sole police officer will get you shot, then the word "reasonable" has no meaning.

 

If the police tell you not to go somewhere, and you go there anyways, and especially if you have to use force to literally break your way into that location, you should know that the potential for getting shot is high. That is a reasonable expectation. People defending January 6th have gone from reasonable to unreasonable, because everything must be black or white now.

When I used the term "reasonable expectation", that is a legal term and how I intended it. You seem to be applying a gut instinct as to what the term "reasonable" means to you. There are as many personal definitions to what constitutes "reasonable" as there are people.

The use of deadly force against a non-violent criminal has probably been legally argued thousands of times. There are, in fact, Supreme Court rulings on the subject. Breaking and entering in and of itself is not grounds for use of deadly force by law enforcement unless additional parameters and assessments are met. Would you know what those are without having to look them up? They were actually argued in this specific case and it was found that the officer doing the shooting may not have acted appropriately, but it would have been too difficult to argue and prove that he did beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm not arguing on behalf of Ashley Babbitt or her beliefs. But as I said before, if you believe that any of us should have a reasonable expectation to be shot and killed for entering locked door in a government building, then you must also believe that it is reasonable and justifiable for law enforcement to do the killing. Perhaps there is nothing you feel strongly enough about that would compel you to protest your government, but don't you want there to be significantly high threshold for the taking of anyone's life should you one day feel the need?

Should we have mowed down the Antifa protestors smashing windows and lighting things on fire? Most of us would admit a part of us would find it satisfying, but if you spend the time to sort through the logic and downstream effects of giving your government the authority use kill someone over a property crime... you may one day wish you hadn't.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

When I used the term "reasonable expectation", that is a legal term and how I intended it. You seem to be applying a gut instinct as to what the term "reasonable" means to you. There are as many personal definitions to what constitutes "reasonable" as there are people.

No. I am applying the legal sense. There's not a court in the world that will convict that cop for shooting Babbit, applying the reasonable expectation. That's why no one is in jail for her death, aside from the obvious political bias in DC. You said it yourself. Beyond a "reasonable" doubt.

 

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

But as I said before, if you believe that any of us should have a reasonable expectation to be shot and killed for entering locked door in a government building, then you must also believe that it is reasonable and justifiable for law enforcement to do the killing

You don't enter a locked door. It's locked. You break it down, or at a minimum defeat the locking mechanism. Those are proactive steps to violate a space. If you do not have a right to the space, which citizens do not have an unfettered right to occupy government buildings, you can not defeat the barrier mechanisms innocently.

 

And if you do it as part of a rioting mob, as she did, I don't expect a cop to wait to find out, with his life, if they are just there for hugs. Trespass at your own peril.

 

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

Perhaps there is nothing you feel strongly enough about that would compel you to protest your government, but don't you want there to be significantly high threshold for the taking of anyone's life should you one day feel the need?

Rioting ≠ Protesting. It didn't for the George Floyd riots, it didn't for the Jan 6th riots.

 

If things get so bad that I feel the need to riot, I expect for people to die. Sometimes blood is the price. Possibly even mine if I feel strongly enough about it.

 

1 hour ago, gearhog said:

Should we have mowed down the Antifa protestors smashing windows and lighting things on fire? Most of us would admit a part of us would find it satisfying, but if you spend the time to sort through the logic and downstream effects of giving your government the authority use kill someone over a property crime... you may one day wish you hadn't.

Breaking Windows, no unless there were people behind those windows that could be hit by the bricks. Lighting fires, if there was any reasonable possibility that innocent people were in the vehicles or structures at risk of being set on fire, open fire, and shoot to kill.

[gearhog]

12 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

No. I am applying the legal sense. There's not a court in the world that will convict that cop for shooting Babbit, applying the reasonable expectation. That's why no one is in jail for her death, aside from the obvious political bias in DC. You said it yourself. Beyond a "reasonable" doubt.

 

You don't enter a locked door. It's locked. You break it down, or at a minimum defeat the locking mechanism. Those are proactive steps to violate a space. If you do not have a right to the space, which citizens do not have an unfettered right to occupy government buildings, you can not defeat the barrier mechanisms innocently.

 

And if you do it as part of a rioting mob, as she did, I don't expect a cop to wait to find out, with his life, if they are just there for hugs. Trespass at your own peril.

 

Rioting ≠ Protesting. It didn't for the George Floyd riots, it didn't for the Jan 6th riots.

 

If things get so bad that I feel the need to riot, I expect for people to die. Sometimes blood is the price. Possibly even mine if I feel strongly enough about it.

 

Breaking Windows, no unless there were people behind those windows that could be hit by the bricks. Lighting fires, if there was any reasonable possibility that innocent people were in the vehicles or structures at risk of being set on fire, open fire, and shoot to kill.

Good points. I understand your perspective. I have an strong urge to write a 20,000 words on this, but I don't want to derail this thread too much. Watch as civil unrest continues to increase in frequency and intensity. If you want to establish that witnessing destruction of property is sufficient cause for a government official to reasonably fear for their life and begin spraying, I'll think we'll face another Kent State or Boston Massacre at some point. Actually, that's probably going to happen anyway. Setting a reasonable expectation for it just moves up the timeline.

Anyway, back on track. This is your United States Air Force. Or Space Force. Or whatever.

https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1763536537520947682?s=20

 

Edited March 1, 2024 by gearhog

[HeloDude]

It’s good to know that the Congresswoman only think that white men are the ones failing in the country.

 

[Biff_T]

19 hours ago, HeloDude said:

It’s good to know that the Congresswoman only think that white men are the ones failing in the country.

 

Nothing Racist to see here.    I like her bald head though.   Doesn't make her look like a Black Neo Nazi or anything like that.

She is my enemy.  

Fuck her.

Edit. Like her, I'm tired of black men murdering my Aunt Julia for no reason. I'd call that failing up.  

https://www.thewetumpkaherald.com/news/reoccurring-nightmare-parole-hearings-force-victim-to-relive-murder-attempt/article_beced49e-2abf-11eb-9e1d-139022db17b7.html

The cool thing is Oprah did a special on the guy who pulled the trigger, Benjamin Oryang.  She praised him for being a model prisoner but Oprah never once talked about what he did to my aunt Julia Lindsey.  She had just dropped off Christmas presents for my cousins and myself at my Grandmother's house as my Aunt had guard (Army) duty over Christmas. My mom had to identify my aunt by her hands, as my aunt's head was pink misted by a high power rifle at point blank range.

I woke up on Dec 17 at 0300 hours to my mom's screams.  That was her baby sister.  She had to identify the body.  My birthday happens to be Dec 17.   Needless to say, that kinda ruined all of my birthdays since then.

Tell that racist Rep. Pressley about my aunt and she will say I'm racist somehow.  

If the murderers would have asked my aunt for a beer instead, she would thrown them one with a smile.  

Edit:  Here’s a review of that sweet book!   Thanks Oprah!

 

 

Edited May 16, 2024 by Biff_T
Afterthought

[arg]

 

[skybert]

20 hours ago, arg said:

 

Storage facilities seem up to par

[Biff_T]

On 6/2/2024 at 8:45 PM, arg said:

 

Dibs!!!!

Helos belong in the mountains.  

[ClearedHot]

All you wack-a-doodle liberals who argue the military is not going woke please punch yourself in the junk.

Pentagon slammed over woke plan to use US troops as 'guinea pigs' to eat lab-grown meat

[Biff_T]

10 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

All you wack-a-doodle liberals who argue the military is not going woke please punch yourself in the junk.

Pentagon slammed over woke plan to use US troops as 'guinea pigs' to eat lab-grown meat

I'm pretty sure I ate lab grown meat while deployed.    With some weird cross-eyed TCN holding the serving spoon.   

[Smokin]

Where's the puking response?

It is amazing that so many people are eager to become vegetarians, constantly tell you about it as if that make superior or they project that you care, and then they go to extreme efforts to still eat "meat".  If I give up eating vegetables because they're far more likely to give you food poisoning than meat, you won't find me making pretend broccoli out of my deer burger.

[Biff_T]

12 hours ago, Smokin said:

Where's the puking response?

It is amazing that so many people are eager to become vegetarians, constantly tell you about it as if that make superior or they project that you care, and then they go to extreme efforts to still eat "meat".  If I give up eating vegetables because they're far more likely to give you food poisoning than meat, you won't find me making pretend broccoli out of my deer burger.

This

[uhhello]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13647349/California-school-punished-girl-black-lives-matter-drawing.html

 

Quote

Judge Carter wrote: 'An elementary school … is not a marketplace of ideas... Thus, the downsides of regulating speech there is not as significant as it is in high schools, where students are approaching voting age and controversial speech could spark conducive conversation.'

Moreover, Judge Carter wrote, 'a parent might second-guess (the principal’s) conclusion, but his decision to discipline B.B. belongs to him, not the federal courts.'

Carter added that 'Undoubtedly, B.B.'s intentions were innocent... B.B. testified that she gifted the Drawing to M.C. to make her feel comfortable after her class learned about Martin Luther King Jr.'

B.B. was punished by her school after her friend, known as M.C. in the suit, took the picture home, where a parent saw it and found it offensive, emailing the school and demanding they take action.

This prompted principal Jesus Becerra to tell B.B. the drawing was inappropriate and racist. He then punished B.B. by making her publicly apologize on the playground to her classmates and teachers. B.B. was also banned from recess and from drawing pictures for two weeks.

 

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13647349/California-school-punished-girl-black-lives-matter-drawing.html

 

 

Too young to have 1st Amendment rights, but old enough to tell school officials that she’s the opposite gender.

Edited July 18, 2024 by HeloDude

[M2]

More ridiculousness, and I am surprised no one ever created an account on here using that name...

Disney changes name of 'offensive' character after 50 years

Disney has changed the name of one of its decades-old characters after being deemed "offensive" and "derogatory."

Following a seven-month refurbishment at Disney World, 'Liver Lips McGrowl' did not make a return on the Country Bear Jamboree attraction.

"The decision to remove Liver Lips McGrowl was driven by concerns over the character’s name," they wrote in a statement. 'Liver lips' is said to be associated with excessive alcohol consumption, leading to liver damage.



Here's to Liver Lips!! 🍻🍻

 

[M2]

USS Eisenhower pilot became the first American woman to score air-to-air kill

A female Naval aviator with Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 32 became the first woman in the U.S. military to score an air-to-air victory in combat. The aviator, who the Navy has not named, shot down a one-way attack drone fired by Houthi forces against commercial ships passing through the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden, using an F/A-18F Super Hornet.

“The success of the entire squadron over the past nine months is a testament to all the members of the command and their friends and family at home that support them,” Cmdr. Jason Hoch, leader of the squadron, said in a Navy release. “I couldn’t be prouder of the Swordsmen’s performance day-in and day-out in incredibly demanding conditions. We proved over and over again that the flexibility a carrier strike group brings to the fight is unmatched, and that is solely due to the highly trained and motivated Sailors who go above and beyond the call of duty each and every day.”

Rut-roh!  Did he say "SwordsMEN?!?" 🫢🫢🫢 

By the way, it's been done...back in 1942!

Lydia Litvyak - Wikipedia

[Biff_T]

20 minutes ago, M2 said:

Here's to Liver Lips!! 🍻🍻

They are trying to erase the Irish from the historic annals of Disney. 

McGrowl, I think his family came from Galway. 

[disgruntledemployee]

7 hours ago, Biff_T said:

They are trying to erase the Irish from the historic annals of Disney. 

McGrowl, I think his family came from Galway. 

Galway, that's Dad's side!

[M2]

11 Popular Songs You Didn’t Realize Are Actually Racist


 

[HeloDude]

42 minutes ago, M2 said:

11 Popular Songs You Didn’t Realize Are Actually Racist


 

Linky no worky 

[M2]

18 hours ago, HeloDude said:

Linky no worky 

MSN took it down, but I found the updated article and added its link...

https://www.rd.com/list/popular-songs-you-didnt-realize-are-racist/

Why, by the way, includes "why Black History Month shouldn’t be a single month!".

[M2]

Pentagon to review 20 Medals of Honor from Wounded Knee Massacre

The wokeness...

“It’s never too late to do what’s right,” an unnamed senior defense official said in a statement Wednesday. “And that’s what is intended by the review that the secretary directed, which is to ensure that we go back and review each of these medals in a rigorous and individualized manner.”

Of course, actions from the last two decades which may merit the Medal of Honor don't rate such time critical attention by the Pentagon! 😡😡😡

Such as...

Sergeant Rafael Peralta

While clearing houses in the second battle for Fallujah (Operation Phantom Fury) Sgt Peralta was shot by insurgents and was severely wounded. In the ensuing firefight a grenade was thrown into the room with Peralta and his Marines. Sgt Peralta pulled the grenade under him to absorb the grenade blast and was killed instantly.

Sgt Peralta was nominated for the Medal of Honor by Lt Gen Natonski based on the reports. The nomination was later denied under review when some reviewers (who were not at the incident) believed Peralta was already clinically dead when the grenade was thrown. The award was downgraded to a Navy Cross. Multiple requests for a reconsideration were denied and after years of denials, Peralta’s family received his Navy Cross.

[herkbum]

This Pentagon leadership is trash


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[disgruntledemployee]

10 hours ago, M2 said:

MSN took it down, but I found the updated article and added its link...

https://www.rd.com/list/popular-songs-you-didnt-realize-are-racist/

Why, by the way, includes "why Black History Month shouldn’t be a single month!".

That article was a regurgitation of 2020.  I noticed there weren't any rap songs.

[Biff_T]

On 7/25/2024 at 6:44 AM, M2 said:

MSN took it down, but I found the updated article and added its link...

https://www.rd.com/list/popular-songs-you-didnt-realize-are-racist/

Why, by the way, includes "why Black History Month shouldn’t be a single month!".

Phil Collins, otherwise known as the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.  

David Bowie had a black wife.   For a long time.  They were still together when he died.   

Brown Sugar, by the Rolling Stones, is about heroin.

The person who wrote this article is retarded.   

On 7/25/2024 at 6:50 AM, M2 said:

Pentagon to review 20 Medals of Honor from Wounded Knee Massacre

The wokeness...

“It’s never too late to do what’s right,” an unnamed senior defense official said in a statement Wednesday. “And that’s what is intended by the review that the secretary directed, which is to ensure that we go back and review each of these medals in a rigorous and individualized manner.”

Of course, actions from the last two decades which may merit the Medal of Honor don't rate such time critical attention by the Pentagon! 😡😡😡

Such as...

Sergeant Rafael Peralta

While clearing houses in the second battle for Fallujah (Operation Phantom Fury) Sgt Peralta was shot by insurgents and was severely wounded. In the ensuing firefight a grenade was thrown into the room with Peralta and his Marines. Sgt Peralta pulled the grenade under him to absorb the grenade blast and was killed instantly.

Sgt Peralta was nominated for the Medal of Honor by Lt Gen Natonski based on the reports. The nomination was later denied under review when some reviewers (who were not at the incident) believed Peralta was already clinically dead when the grenade was thrown. The award was downgraded to a Navy Cross. Multiple requests for a reconsideration were denied and after years of denials, Peralta’s family received his Navy Cross.

Fuck the person who decided Sgt Peralta wasnt the right kind of dead when he was destroyed by a grenade.  Fuck them to death.  If you (said non combatant) ever reads this, PM me.  Im serious.