It turns out when LM, Raytheon, and NG put their heads together they're able to combine their incompetence and continue to produce underperforming products, behind timeline and over budget. Maybe that's the business model..

It’s not incompetence on industry’s part, it’s the plan to generate and sustain maximum profit. The incompetence is the gov’s speciality.

I don't doubt the maximizing profit part. When some of these tests fail after 10 years of development is it on purpose or incompetence? I guess it could sometimes be honest failures..

It sounds like you don’t know how the SEEK EAGLE process works in the USAF.

I'm familiar with the process. Not sure how that applies. I'm not talking about failing a carriage test. I'm talking about kit not working as advertised, within budget, and before it becomes outdated.

Yeah I suppose it could be incompetent leadership, but much of the time it feels more purposeful - the classic “milking” the contract. The engineers are not stupid people, and most of my experience has been positive with them (e.g. they care and really try to make things work). So the fault lies with management/leadership…or rather, they seem to view all of this as a feature and not a bug.

10 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Oh boy, just wait until the anti-Isreal mass media gets ahold of this patch lol.

On 6/4/2026 at 5:30 AM, brabus said:

Yeah I suppose it could be incompetent leadership, but much of the time it feels more purposeful - the classic “milking” the contract. The engineers are not stupid people, and most of my experience has been positive with them (e.g. they care and really try to make things work). So the fault lies with management/leadership…or rather, they seem to view all of this as a feature and not a bug.

It's always the management causing the issues. I've worked with engineers from all the main contractors. Some got more of the 'tism than I care to interact with, but they're working hard for the nation.

It's always the damn managers, and execs, that delay, ask for more money, etc. Also, some gov civs fucking hate contractors even if they're kicking ass, solving problems, and creating/improving capes. That was a new one for me in my brief time in DoD contracting.

7 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

It's always the management causing the issues. I've worked with engineers from all the main contractors. Some got more of the 'tism than I care to interact with, but they're working hard for the nation.

It's always the damn managers, and execs, that delay, ask for more money, etc. Also, some gov civs fucking hate contractors even if they're kicking ass, solving problems, and creating/improving capes. That was a new one for me in my brief time in DoD contracting.

As a prime contractor, turned DoD Civ, turned prime contractor the federal civilians who hate contractors are the ones who would never get hired by one since they’re worthless. Those are the ones DOGE should’ve rid from the civil service.

I'm sure this is all part of the long game plan, but if its not.....would hate to be in the meetings with him right now.