Something about building your house on shitty sand or something

6 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

As someone who was court martialed, and someone else here was too, we can both tell you that you can throw out the burden of proof element in a court martial. Court martial are kangaroo courts with their own rules of evidence. It’ll be jury nullification extreme if he picked a panel of officers because they aren’t going to tank their careers by not voting guilty and pissing off Trump.

That is shitty. Certainly do not wish that on anyone, including Kelly.

6 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

You do realize this unlocks a terrible precedent, right? When the retired ones on this board spout off their conservative viewpoints and a liberal/left POTUS and administration is in charge, they could they after them if they ever so inclined to do so. All it takes is the wrong person in charge who disagrees with you and has the authority, and backing of the federal government, to fuck your life up.

For sure. I think this whole thing is stupid, unless they truly have him dead to rites on something, but I doubt that’s the case. This is mostly a losing move on the Trump admins part, at least I think so with the current info I’ve seen.

9 hours ago, brabus said:

For sure. I think this whole thing is stupid, unless they truly have him dead to rites on something, but I doubt that’s the case. This is mostly a losing move on the Trump admins part, at least I think so with the current info I’ve seen.

Complete asshattery.

How in the world do you say refused ILLEGAL orders is sedition?

6 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Complete asshattery.

How in the world do you say refused ILLEGAL orders is sedition?

Exactly. I can read between the lines, it’s clear what all those in the video are implying, which is bullshit on their parts. But, no way you successfully convict someone of sedition based on the argument they were implying something. Facts matter, not feelings and emotions (at least in theory). So good job admin, you got butt hurt and went on an emotionally-charged witch hunt without thinking it through. Dumbasses.

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

They are both giant tools. We're in good hands

20 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

Where are they out of order or reversed?

Defense Superior Service Medal, Legion of Merit, DFC, Air Medal, Navy Commendation in order.

Something further down?

What am I missing?

26 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Where are they out of order or reversed?

Defense Superior Service Medal, Legion of Merit, DFC, Air Medal, Navy Commendation in order.

Something further down?

What am I missing?

You're not missing anything; Hegseth is a dipshit.

2 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

You're not missing anything; Hegseth is a dipshit.

Ding ding ding. Winner!

On 11/24/2025 at 3:18 PM, brabus said:

Mark Kelly is a complete asshat, most recently for this bullshit video. But that said, seems like it’d be a pretty high burden on the prosecutors to prove his action did without a doubt “interfere with the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the armed forces.” How do you quantify that and what evidence may exist that is compelling enough for conviction? Seems like a low Pk win for the Trump admin and a high Pk of giving the left a great talking point of “see, they’re targeting political opponents!”

In the end, I doubt many service members actually watched the video and afterwards were too stupid to understand the difference between an illegal order and an order they just don’t personally like. This whole rambling about illegal orders is completely retarded.

This is definitely the case, which is why it's such a perfectly corrosive maneuver.

I saw a talking head on CNN bring up a good point, however: what would be the difference if it were the joint chiefs of staff putting out that video? Would that have been a problem? I think we all agree it would have been. Now, the fact that Mark Kelly is no longer in the chain of command makes a difference, but he also knows exactly what he was doing.