Fucking clown show

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5612407-comeys-challenge-trump-prosecution/amp/

12 hours ago, GrndPndr said:

Anyone here planning on opting-in:

VIRAL: Democrat politicians tell troops to mutiny against...

It's mutiny on the Bounty, me hearties!

I have never seen such an absolutely despicable and disgraceful posturing from any government official. Mark Kelly has been a disappointment for a long time, and this has put him squarely in the category of irredeemable.

21 hours ago, ViperMan said:

I have never seen such an absolutely despicable and disgraceful posturing from any government official. Mark Kelly has been a disappointment for a long time, and this has put him squarely in the category of irredeemable.

Sure. We see/hear it plenty. They learned it from Trump himself. I think he's calling for executions of those Dems. See, despicable posturing ... or something. *

* I do not condone either actions, just playing ref and throwing a flag on both plays.

I think Trump confused sedition and treason (and the max punishment for each). Regardless, another example of not thinking it through before opening one’s mouth.

Both sides are cherry picking.

My War College Classmate, now retired Col Andrew Milburn wrote his thesis on the subject: BreakIng Ranks Dissent and the Military Professional - The paper was later published in JFQ where Pultizer Prize winning author Tom Ricks (who is a complete douche by the way), picked up on it and wrote a scathing article bashing Milburn. It was obvious Ricks never read the paper as Andy simply laid out a line of thinking around unlawful orders. Bottomline, we all swore an oath to the Constitution, not the President and we should act accordingly.

I have only heard reporting on Trump's comments which are obviously Fing stupid but I did hear one report say the left-leaning networks have edited his comment and left out the phrase "if convicted." Obviously that qualifier slightly lowers the stupidity factor, likely not enough to matter.

Bottomline, we have free speech in this country (despite the wishes of some with the Ministry of Truth), and Trump should shut his big mac eating, diet coke swizzling pie hole.

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Both sides are cherry picking.

My War College Classmate, now retired Col Andrew Milburn wrote his thesis on the subject: BreakIng Ranks Dissent and the Military Professional - The paper was later published in JFQ where Pultizer Prize winning author Tom Ricks (who is a complete douche by the way), picked up on it and wrote a scathing article bashing Milburn. It was obvious Ricks never read the paper as Andy simply laid out a line of thinking around unlawful orders. Bottomline, we all swore an oath to the Constitution, not the President and we should act accordingly.

I have only heard reporting on Trump's comments which are obviously Fing stupid but I did hear one report say the left-leaning networks have edited his comment and left out the phrase "if convicted." Obviously that qualifier slightly lowers the stupidity factor, likely not enough to matter.

Bottomline, we have free speech in this country (despite the wishes of some with the Ministry of Truth), and Trump should shut his big mac eating, diet coke swizzling pie hole.

You can check the truth social posts. The "death" one doesn't have anything about a trail or conviction. There's a tweet 16 posts/retweets before that one where he says they should be locked up. Fuck this dude needs to touch grass.

Thanks for the article, gonna read that one. It's really one of my favorite areas of thought.

I just watched a video on YouTube about something like this in Kosovo. Gen Clark ordered a British force to take the airport by force from the Russians. The Brits obviously said fuck off and waited until the Russians ran out of food (because of course they did) and then got 1/2 the airport.

For a little view into my local small political world - all 3 of our D candidates won city council (non-partisan race, so I'm not counting them as "wins"), the No Kings protests had large turnouts throughout the state, and I have more D's interested in running than the last few years. Utah did not slide right with the rest of the country, and some precincts (like mine) were overwhelmingly Harris/D voters. We got fairer maps, though the leg is doing everything they can to restrict ballot initiatives while they started their own initiative to repeal the fair maps initiative.

EDIT - Fantastic article, thanks again for sharing

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by 17D_guy

Marge Two Names is resigning from Congress.

she was one of the most radical MAGA supporters...wonder what swayed her

29 minutes ago, Day Man said:

she was one of the most radical MAGA supporters...wonder what swayed her

She probably wasn't going to be re-elected after splitting from Trump. She's probably going to run for GA governor.

30 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

She probably wasn't going to be re-elected after splitting from Trump. She's probably going to run for GA governor.

I mean what finally swayed her away from supporting him?

11 hours ago, 17D_guy said:

You can check the truth social posts. The "death" one doesn't have anything about a trail or conviction. There's a tweet 16 posts/retweets before that one where he says they should be locked up. this dude needs to touch grass.

Thanks for the article, gonna read that one. It's really one of my favorite areas of thought.

I just watched a video on YouTube about something like this in Kosovo. Gen Clark ordered a British force to take the airport by force from the Russians. The Brits obviously said off and waited until the Russians ran out of food (because of course they did) and then got 1/2 the airport.

For a little view into my local small political world - all 3 of our D candidates won city council (non-partisan race, so I'm not counting them as "wins"), the No Kings protests had large turnouts throughout the state, and I have more D's interested in running than the last few years. Utah did not slide right with the rest of the country, and some precincts (like mine) were overwhelmingly Harris/D voters. We got fairer maps, though the leg is doing everything they can to restrict ballot initiatives while they started their own initiative to repeal the fair maps initiative.

EDIT - Fantastic article, thanks again for sharing

17D, "Utah did not slide right with the rest of the country...", dumping Romney was a move to the right...and the right move.

10 hours ago, uninformed said:

17D, "Utah did not slide right with the rest of the country...", dumping Romney was a move to the right...and the right move.

Republican senator replaced by republican senator? It's a red state, but that wasn't the crux of my statement, so fair comment and I'll clarify.

In 2024 Trump got ~1% more vote than 2020 in Utah (data here - https://vote.utah.gov/historical-election-results/). All 3 races he's competed in -
2016 - 45.5%
2020 - 58.13%
2024 - 59.39% (+1.25)

Look at his gains in other states, All of these states are close culturally with Utah. All data below is from the wiki articles about the elections for these individual states.

AZ for example -
2016 - 48.67%
2020 - 49.06%
2024 - 52.25% (+3.19%)

Lets look at NV -
2016 - 45.5%
2020 - 47.67%
2024 - 50.59% (+2.92%)

Idaho (crazy cousins up north) -
2016 - 59.25%
2020 - 63.84%
2024 - 66.87 (+3.03)

NM (he lost every year) -
2016 - 40.04%
2020 - 43.50%
2024 - 45.85% (+2.35%)

So, a more correct statement would be (and I'm now remembering it from the "fun" poli-sci presentations I've sat through) we didn't slide right nearly as much, and are an outlier in the Southwest Basin states. When you get into the county and precinct data it's actually very interesting from 2020 forwards. There's a reason the state Leg further gerrymandered State districts after 2020 to solidify the super-majority, just as R's are trying to do now in other red states for Congressional districts.

I will also add a confounding variable is the number of D's who register R here to "have a say in the primary process/elections" because we are so gerrymandered and have such a super-majority. After the success of our municipal elections we've seen the following change in a month: registered D's increased by 2,000 people, R's decreased by 400. A drop in the bucket to be sure, not statistically significant and likely not to change the outcome of state-wide an up races...but an interesting change.

Do no extrapolate this to changes in other states, heck the past couple elections (municipal included) could be outliers. Registrations could reverse in the new year when people are gearing up for 2026 elections. However, Utah has the youngest, most educated population with a large chunk of women who are politically active (both sides).

Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll be the second Congress critter you all hate. LOL.