The Next President is...

[tac airlifter]

52 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

The latest policy proposal from this Forrest Gump administration...Under the proposed expansion of authority, ALL boats 35 feet and greater cannot travel faster than 10 knots (11 mph) within a vast area extending from Massachusetts to central Florida, for up to 8 months out of the year and in some places up to 90 miles offshore.

Hadn’t heard that, WTF!  Is it some kind of climate thing?

[ClearedHot]

7 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Hadn’t heard that, WTF!  Is it some kind of climate thing?

Save the whales...White Whales I believe.  Someone did the math and the chances of hitting a White Whale is 1:1,000,000.  Notice many of our liberal friends have backed away form the forum instead of standing to defend the senility that is Joe Biden, the far left policies of Harris and the continued lunatic policies of these clowns.

[tac airlifter]

34 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Save the whales...White Whales I believe.  Someone did the math and the chances of hitting a White Whale is 1:1,000,000.  Notice many of our liberal friends have backed away form the forum instead of standing to defend the senility that is Joe Biden, the far left policies of Harris and the continued lunatic policies of these clowns.

Seems that wind farms are collecting all the whale scalps.  That's an absolutely insane policy that will crush many small businessmen and fishing charters.

[Standby]

Having boated in/around Newport, RI…no way this proposal passes. The amount of money I saw in the harbor floating was unreal. If anything, all of these corrupt politicians will be paid off, and instead you’ll see boats under 35’ restricted to min wake speeds. It’s always the commoner getting screwed. Reference snapper seasons in FL.

[Biff_T]

I think Trump put his foot in his mouth one too many times.   He could have said nothing until the election and could have ridden the ear shot to victory...What a dumbass.  

He comes from money and is the least Christian person to live in the White house.  

Im not a Democrat but I remember when Trump donated to them.  I'm an average American who grew up poor, made something for myself and now own a home.  I have nothing in common with Trump.   

My family has had nothing since we were forced move here from Ireland, because of the British  (they still occupy Derry, where my mom's side came from).  

Trump is a wreslter, not a world leader.   

Guess what, I also dont like Biden or Harris.    

This election will be the hardest (sts) one I've participated in.  

But lets not pretend Trump is a good person.  He chases the coin over God.   More so than others that have been  President. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Biff_T
Afterthought and spelling

[brabus]

I’ve taken “personal quality” out of the equation. They’re all shit, so it doesn’t matter. What are the policies (past and expected) and what are the outcomes (real or projected). Do they support general American principles or not? Thats what people should be voting based on. Voting for person X solely because it’s not person Y is fucking retarded. If that’s how you feel, just don’t vote.

[SpeedOfHeat]

11 hours ago, brabus said:

Do they support general American principles or not?

…Like “terminating the Constitution” when you lose an election?

Edited August 3, 2024 by SpeedOfHeat

[brabus]

Trump says a lot of off the cuff dumb things. Also, you’re an idiot if you think he is actually going to try and terminate the constitution. 

[Biff_T]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

you’re an idiot if you think he is actually going to try and terminate the constitutio

This. For real.  

I'd like to add the following.   You're (american person) an idiot If you think real Americans would let him do it.   I swore to uphold the constitution, not destroy it.  Even if Im the last GD american fighting for the constitution.   If I dont defend the constitution, all my homies and ancestors buried for the flag died for nothing....all of them.  

 

Edit: My conscious is clear.  Im ok with GOD.   I'll be one of the last ones fighting for the constitution,  not a President. 

I'm Irish Catholic.  We're used to fighting for our homeland and doing what's right.   God, Family, Country.   Fuck the queen.  If you don't understand that, then you shouldn't be an American.  

Edited August 3, 2024 by Biff_T
Afterthought

[SpeedOfHeat]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

Trump says a lot of off the cuff dumb things. Also, you’re an idiot if you think he is actually going to try and terminate the constitution. 

Absolute bull$hit.

If Kamala had ever suggested “terminating the constitution,” you would be appalled and outraged.  And you know it.

There is zero chance you’d respond with “well, she says a lot of off-the-cuff dumb things” (which is absolutely true).

….. “she’s not really going to do it.”

GMAFB

You make excuses for Trump because he’s your guy.  Period, end of story.  

[Biff_T]

@brabus

I think we're on the same page.   I'll make up my mind on election day and pray for God to give our country some help.   We shouldn't suffer because a bunch of terds floated to the top. The cool thing about the US is we only have to deal with a bad president for four years.   Everyone has a vote.    

May the rest of the election year be less crazy.    God Bless America!

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Absolute bull$hit.

If Kamala had ever suggested “terminating the constitution,” you would be appalled and outraged.  And you know it.

There is zero chance you’d respond with “well, she says a lot of off-the-cuff dumb things” (which is absolutely true).

….. “she’s not really going to do it.”

GMAFB

You make excuses for Trump because he’s your guy.  Period, end of story.  

So what will you do if Trump is elected, since you’re obviously afraid that he will suspend the Constitution?

[brabus]

@SpeedOfHeat Nice try. He’s not my guy, in fact I really wish he wasn’t the nominee. But here we are and once again, I will vote for the better policies even when I don’t love the person behind the policies. I believe Kamala’s track record and proposed future actions are a disaster. Don’t really care about her as a person - I’m not voting against her, I’m voting against her policies. If I wanted to be emotional about it, I could make a very long list of stupid and irrational statements and actions she has attached to her. Don’t act like any politician is without that baggage. 

[tac airlifter]

14 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

You make excuses for Trump because he’s your guy.  Period, end of story.  

I'm voting Trump because I mostly approved of his policies while POTUS.  I won't vote for Harris because I totally disapprove of the Biden-Harris policies.

See, it's easy to make a decision without making excuses.
 

 

[SpeedOfHeat]

On 8/3/2024 at 11:32 AM, HeloDude said:

So what will you do if Trump is elected, since you’re obviously afraid that he will suspend the Constitution?

Trump won’t do anything to the Constitution.  Thankfully, there are checks and balances to prevent that.  It was simply another idiotic and far-fetched thing he tweeted.

What’s important is that he suggested it, and would clearly welcome it if it were in fact possible.  

So when people assert that he “supports American principles,” I think it’s relevant to point out that Trump believes the Constitution should be waived.  Brushed aside, and of course in a way that benefits himself.  I can’t think of anything that is more antithetical to American principles.

And, as you see above, not a single Trump voter will even acknowledge it.  “Well, he would never really be able to change it.”  Or….”I prefer his policies, that’s what’s important.”  

No one, even among military officers, can simply say, “yea, that tweet was really shitty and/or deeply concerning, but….”

Edited August 4, 2024 by SpeedOfHeat

[HeloDude]

43 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Trump won’t do anything to the Constitution.  Thankfully, there are checks and balances to prevent that.  It was simply another idiotic and far-fetched thing he tweeted.

What’s important is that he suggested it, and would clearly welcome it if it were in fact possible.  

So when people assert that he “supports American principles,” I think it’s relevant to point out that Trump believes the Constitution should be waived.  Brushed aside, and of course in a way that benefits himself.  I can’t think of anything that is more antithetical to American principles.

And, as you see above, not a single Trump voter will even acknowledge it.  “Well, he would never really be able to change it.”  Or….I prefer his policies, that’s what’s important.”  

No one, among military officers no less, can simply say, “yea, that tweet was really shitty and/or deeply concerning, but….”

So you’re making a big deal about something that you even admit will never happen—so why should any of us care?  

[SpeedOfHeat]

Just now, HeloDude said:

So you’re making a big deal about something that you even admit will never happen—so why should any of us care?  

Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.  If you are really this dumb, it is truly next-level.

[HeloDude]

8 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.  If you are really this dumb, it is truly next-level.

Of course this is a response from someone who gets called out for their BS—you were also called out similarly a while back as well.  But again, you recently said that we should be concerned that Trump has said he’ll terminate the Constitution…but then afterwards you admit that it will never happen.  So why should I be concerned about something that you and I both agree will never happen?  However we look at it, the odds are extremely likely that either Trump or Kamala will be the next President, so of course I’m going to vote for the one who I believe has better policies/screws me the least.  All that “Trump is a fascist” stuff is just hyperbole nonsense.

[tac airlifter]

3 hours ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

No one, even among military officers, can simply say, “yea, that tweet was really shitty and/or deeply concerning, but….”

For someone who talks about reading comprehension you fell short of my expectations. It was implied in my last comment that yes, that was a shitty tweet, but I did not care because my focus was on policies (and an acknowledgement his rash tweet was impossible to execute).  That's not making excuses, it's prioritizing actions over words when judging others. Something I do with everyone in my life.

I'm not understanding your point; are you saying you do not support candidates unless you agree with everything they've ever tweeted or said?  I'd rather somebody speak plainly and say dumb shit periodically than be a scripted chameleon afraid to engage the public like our current commander-in-chief.
 

[SpeedOfHeat]

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

you were also called out similarly a while back as well.

ha.  By “called out,” you mean you previously did exactly what you did in starting this exchange:  You missed my point entirely, and tried to have me answer some hypothetical gotcha question.  Except there’s no gotcha, because you didn’t understand my point.  I’m not “obviously afraid he’s going to suspend the Constitution.”  …..and it’s just additional icing on the facepalm cake that in totally misunderstanding my point of view, you described it as “obvious.”

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you said that we should be concerned that Trump has said he’ll terminate the Constitution…but then afterwards you admit that it will never happen.  So why should I be concerned about something that you and I both agree will never happen? 

Not sure how else to break this down for you.  Either you’re trolling me, or you’re hopelessly dense.  

I’ll give it one last try.

Think of a few cherished American principles.  For example, freedom of speech or religion.  The right to peacefully assemble.  Voting rights, gun rights, etc. etc.  

Pretend for a moment that a prominent politician (…..go ahead and picture a democrat if that helps you get over this mental hurdle….) advocates for doing away with one or several of those rights.  Maybe by prohibiting a certain religion altogether.  Or banning guns entirely.  Or maybe it’s a military action -  something violating all western norms and principles concerning sovereignty  - like us annexing Mexico and/or Canada.  Something outrageous…… a prohibition or action so extreme that it would never actually be enacted.  

But here this politician is, on record for having advocated for it.  

Then you hear someone claim that this person “supports American principles.”

You wouldn’t find that objectionable?  You wouldn’t think “holy shit, this person is saying that this candidate represents the direct opposite of what s/he actually does”?  

You wouldn’t think “hmm, maybe I’ll take a moment to point out the glaring dichotomy between a guy that ‘supports American principles,’ but would like to, for example, subvert the Constitution to overturn an election.  I wonder…..does Brabus simply not know that Trump wrote this, OR, is it just the usual nauseating blind/hypocritical tribalism, and he doesn’t care?”

If a democrat tweeted that they wanted to literally ban all guns nationwide, you’re telling me you’d respond “why should I be concerned?  It’ll never happen.”  Give me a break.  

You can make reasonable assessments about what something thinks, what they know, and how intelligent and wise they are by what they say.  The more you listen to them talk, the more accurate this assessment becomes.  With a Presidential candidate, what they say or write gives clues into their understanding of American principles, the ways in which they intend to steer the country, and in a broader sense, their character and integrity.  

Just because Trump cannot actually suspend the Constitution, does not mean it’s not concerning that he suggested it.  It, along with many other examples, demonstrates to me that he does not support American principles, nor does he understand them.

If you still don’t understand this, if you’re still a military officer who doesn’t think it matters that a President can call into question the Constitution (…the singular basis upon which you took your oath), when an election doesn’t go his way, then there’s nothing I can do for you.

[SpeedOfHeat]

22 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

are you saying you do not support candidates unless you agree with everything they've ever tweeted or said? 

Of course not.  I don’t have to agree with everything they’ve ever said or tweeted.  However, when they say they want to terminate the constitution because they lost an election, I don’t know, I guess you could say that’s where I draw the line.  

Can you really not draw a distinction there?  Between questioning the Constitution and “everything” else they’ve ever tweeted or said?

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I'd rather somebody speak plainly and say dumb shit periodically…

lol.  Yeah I guess we’re just too far apart on this issue.  The President of the United States calls to terminate the Constitution…..a significant and appalling statement in my mind. 

To you, ehh… it’s just saying “dumb shit.”  

Unbelievable.

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

If a democrat tweeted that they wanted to literally ban all guns nationwide, you’re telling me you’d respond “why should I be concerned?  It’ll never happen.”  Give me a break. 

Do you honestly think that Trump would want to suspend the Constitution if he had the power to do so?  If your answer is yes, then we just disagree entirely.  And the rest of your nonsense is just that, nonsense. 
 

[tac airlifter]

55 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:

Of course not.  I don’t have to agree with everything they’ve ever said or tweeted.  However, when they say they want to terminate the constitution because they lost an election, I don’t know, I guess you could say that’s where I draw the line.  

Can you really not draw a distinction there?  Between questioning the Constitution and “everything” else they’ve ever tweeted or said?

lol.  Yeah I guess we’re just too far apart on this issue.  The President of the United States calls to terminate the Constitution…..a significant and appalling statement in my mind. 

To you, ehh… it’s just saying “dumb shit.”  

Unbelievable.

Ok, thanks for the explanation.  So your issue is that you took his statement seriously.  I took his statement as tongue in cheek.  
 

I find the lawfare conducted against him as far more threatening to our constitutional republic than a few joking tweets.  So yes, I think we're pretty far apart on this issue.  

[SpeedOfHeat]

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Do you honestly think that Trump would want to suspend the Constitution if he had the power to do so?

Yes.  Of course.  Because that’s what he wrote.  

I know Trump lies incessantly and is a master bullshitter, but when there’s a lengthy tweet from his account, with no other hints of sarcasm or jest, yeah, I take him at his word.  

It’s so insane to think that in your heads, the subject of terminating the constitution, election fraud, etc. are a subject fit for jokes from the POTUS.  That’s how you justify it…. “Ohh, the constitution and declaring himself the rightful winner??  Come on, don’t be such a stick in the mud!  He just likes to fvck with us for the lol’s.”  

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And the rest of your nonsense is just that, nonsense. 

Of course this is a response from someone who gets called out for their BS

Edited August 4, 2024 by SpeedOfHeat

[BashiChuni]

amazing how kamala went from the most unpopular vice president in history, to suddenly a media darling front runner for president.

who hasn't won any vote for nomination, just picked by the big bosses in their soft coup. "defending democracy!"