Stretch Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Caught this earlier today. Comm checks could be interesting. Lifting an overzealous barrier or another body blow to the military for the sake of inclusion/diversity? https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140802/NEWS/308020038/Lawmaker-wants-trial-program-deaf-serve-Air-Force A lawmaker who advocates for the deaf is calling for a trial program that would allow a small number of hearing impaired to serve in the Air Force. Rep. Mark Takano, D-Calif., introduced in the House on Wednesday legislation that would give 15 to 20 people who are deaf or hard of hearing but otherwise fit for military duty the chance to serve their country. “It is from my direct experience that I can say it is entirely possible for deaf or hard of hearing Americans to serve in the Air Force. Obviously, certain accommodations and limitations would have to be made, but ultimately no more than for other individuals with unique circumstances who are already serving,” Capt. Casey Doane of Joint Base Andrews, Maryland, wrote. I understand how well deaf individuals can integrate - I went to a school who had 25% deaf/HOH population and have seen it first hand. But this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I swear some of the airmen in the MSG have to be deaf and blind as it is.... Doubt we will see much difference in job performance. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 If they'll sit in finance and fix my DTS/PCS voucher/DITY promptly via email, I say bring em on. But I agree, it's more social experiment on a captive populace by the California Democrat than a realistic future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComingLeft Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 We are officially a jobs program. National employment, not defense. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brabus Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Champ shacked it - the entire MPS building might as well be death and blind. Perhaps we should have a special recruiting push for individuals with an IQ less than 90. The quality of service/work will not change in any appreciable way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Champ shacked it - the entire MPS building might as well be death and blind. Perhaps we should have a special recruiting push for individuals with an IQ less than 90. The quality of service/work will not change in any appreciable way. Been there, done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 So, we are cutting people currently on duty...and we're opening the entry requirements to people who are 39 years old and deaf people. Does anyone else feel like we are sending a mixed message here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champ Kind Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Does anyone else feel like we are sending a mixed message here? AF Standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 There is clearly a 'War Against the Deaf' when it comes to the Air Force. I'm very glad to see these proposed changes, you know, because of equality and fairness. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrobe Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Maybe? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaarman Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) It would cut the disability claims for MX engine troops and crew chiefs... Edited August 3, 2014 by xaarman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 If this is serious, and I'm not fully convinced that it is, I'm gonna go right out and say this is completely f*cking ridiculous. The AF already turns down hundreds of outstanding airman/cadets every year for incredibly minor medical issues that really wouldn't prevent them from serving well if the "world-wide deployable" rule wasn't in affect. So instead of allowing them to serve, who would otherwise not need any special accommodations, you're gonna let people with serious legitimate medical DQs cut the line and get all the accommodations they want? And how exactly are they going to help better the mission that those DQ'd cadets/airman couldn't do? Sometimes I question why I'm even trying to join this service. UFB. And of course this would come from CA.. /rant off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElLoco Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Sometimes I question why I'm even trying to join this service. UFB. It's still not too late! There's the forest service, wal mart, unemployment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's still not too late! There's the forest service, wal mart, unemployment! I could always go work for the DMV.. Oh wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindsight2020 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's still not too late! There's the forest service, wal mart, unemployment! Or dental school, med school, oil rig work. Jesus Christ, it's amazing how much the nav mentality abounds amongst public workers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElLoco Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Or dental school, med school, oil rig work. Jesus Christ, it's amazing how much the nav mentality abounds amongst public workers. What are these mythical nav creatures you speak of Edited August 3, 2014 by ElLoco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSCguy Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 Hence why the navy calls its navs NFOs. NFO: No Future Outside. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flare Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 What? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Hence why the navy calls its navs NFOs. NFO: No Future Outside. Anyone who seriously believes this is silly. Sure, there isn't an obvious career path to Delta, but there are plenty of opportunities in the outside world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerkFE Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 And knowing Big Blue, each year they would be given a hearing test and sent to Keesler (or wherever) to re-establish their baseline.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestik Møøse Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 The AF already turns down hundreds of outstanding airman/cadets every year for incredibly minor medical issues that really wouldn't prevent them from serving well if the "world-wide deployable" rule wasn't in affect. So instead of allowing them to serve, who would otherwise not need any special accommodations, you're gonna let people with serious legitimate medical DQs cut the line and get all the accommodations they want? And how exactly are they going to help better the mission that those DQ'd cadets/airman couldn't do? This is valid. A torn ACL could keep a dude from serving, but I guess punch a hole in his eardrums and he's good to go. There's also no reason deaf guys couldn't just work as GSA/contractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockheedFix Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Anyone who seriously believes this is silly. Sure, there isn't an obvious career path to Delta, but there are plenty of opportunities in the outside world. Haha...navs. Obviously there's plenty of opportunity on the outside for just about everyone in the military, just not in a job that's related even remotely to what the AF trained you to do. I really hope you don't think you can get out and still be a nav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HossHarris Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 WHAT!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Haha...navs. Obviously there's plenty of opportunity on the outside for just about everyone in the military, just not in a job that's related even remotely to what the AF trained you to do. I really hope you don't think you can get out and still be a nav. If you take the view that the AF trained you to see the big picture, calmly make quick decisions under pressure, occasionally tactfully convince higher ranking folks that they're wrong, and get the job done with not enough resources or time, then the AF trained you quite well for the outside world. Yeah...being a civilian nav...WTF? Ironically, I was offered a job as a civilian F-15 WSO in the St Louis area, but turned it down.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurelySerious Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 If you take the view that the AF trained you to see the big picture What AF trained you? Big picture? That wasn't the USAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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