matmacwc Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 As far as I recall: Palace Front: TAMP Involuntary separation (RIF, 2x passed over and not continued): TAMP Palace Chase: ?? VSP: no TAMP Separation with no ADSC: no TAMP That's the way it's been ever since I started paying attention to separations (since 2006). If you're going into the SELRES, you hardly need TAMP, though, because now we can get Tricare Reserve Select for pretty cheap. VSP=TAMP, I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitten Mittens Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20141031/BENEFITS06/310310070/Airmen-caught-VSP-confusion-will-receive-medical-benefits This is CLASSIC: 1. Many people were incorrectly promised TAMP after VSP due to installations not knowing AF's guidance. 2. AF tries to take back the benefits from people who were promised them by local installations. VSPers get pissed and fight back. 3. AF authorizes TAMP for VSPers after it does a "review of the law." Anyone else find it funny/despicable that the AF created guidance (no TAMP for VSPers) without ACTUALLY reviewing the laws and figuring out what VSPers are eligible for? Either they knew they were authorized to give benefits and made the original guidance of no TAMP despite this knowledge, or they made arbitrary guidelines without first reviewing the laws that govern it. CLASSIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) They just changed policy on permissive TDY at separation, too. Palace Chasers last FY got 20 days permissive. Now, no soup for you. So no, I'm not shocked that they screwed up. edit: And no, I don't mean the FY14 PC... just normal PC guys were approved Permissive because those with approval authority didn't know the rules. Now, they've fixed the glitch. Edited November 16, 2014 by nunya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20141031/BENEFITS06/310310070/Airmen-caught-VSP-confusion-will-receive-medical-benefits This is CLASSIC: 1. Many people were incorrectly promised TAMP after VSP due to installations not knowing AF's guidance. 2. AF tries to take back the benefits from people who were promised them by local installations. VSPers get pissed and fight back. 3. AF authorizes TAMP for VSPers after it does a "review of the law." Anyone else find it funny/despicable that the AF created guidance (no TAMP for VSPers) without ACTUALLY reviewing the laws and figuring out what VSPers are eligible for? Either they knew they were authorized to give benefits and made the original guidance of no TAMP despite this knowledge, or they made arbitrary guidelines without first reviewing the laws that govern it. CLASSIC. The law states that voluntary separations to not get TAMP but that a service secretary can waive it. Since the implementation was such a clusterfuck, the SECAF requested guidance from the General Council. That's what was done when the "review of the law (10 USC 1175a) determined that the Air Force is authorized to pay the transition assistance management program (TAMP) benefits to Airmen separated under VSP.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 The law states that voluntary separations to not get TAMP but that a service secretary can waive it. Since the implementation was such a clusterfuck, the SECAF requested guidance from the General Council. That's what was done when the "review of the law (10 USC 1175a) determined that the Air Force is authorized to pay the transition assistance management program (TAMP) benefits to Airmen separated under VSP.” Exactly...the SECAF made a decision to do the right thing after getting GC guidance that she was authorized to do so. Nothing sinister here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 Nothing sinister, but it's...uh...shocking...that A1 implemented the program without full understanding of Title 10, leaving local MPFs and CCs to twist in the winds of conflicting guidance and creating stress/drama for separating members. It is similar to the A1C at the Finance Office fooking up your travel voucher, but on a MUCH larger scale. I am relieved that SECAF fixed the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fud Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Exactly...the SECAF made a decision to do the right thing after getting GC guidance that she was authorized to do so. Nothing sinister here. I will say this...I am incredibly thankful to Sec. James for approving this for all of us taking VSP. My new job is not going to provide these benefits, and I was going to have to come out of pocket almost immediately. I'm always pleased with her efforts and I think she truly cares about the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) PSDM 14-114 became available today on the myPers site. Document classified FOUO. Go take a look. Edited November 18, 2014 by deaddebate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 PSDM 14-114 became available today on the myPers site. Document classified FOUO. Go take a look. Subject? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Subject? Sorry! Deaddebate says it's classified!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Subject? RIF, what else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifty-six & Two Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I thought most rated were ineligible for this last round. This PSDM is about notifying those who will not be retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akele Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Heard that notifications go out tomorrow for those RIFed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altus Barbarosa Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 62X friend was just notified. 03 YG. RIF'd. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsNAV Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 Spouse is a 12M 08 YG, retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dupe Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 A dude in my div got a pink slip. '08 (I think) 62X. I'm not sure of any other morts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtludwig Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 A dude in my div got a pink slip. '08 (I think) 62X. I'm not sure of any other morts. We had a couple of '03 63A people get notified today...all at Vandenberg assigned to the NAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shemachinist Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 My brother was not retained, 2001 71S. I was retained, 2002 12R. Been a topsy turvy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olevelo Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 2002 12M core, but 12E primary. Test Pilot School grad and instructor. Axed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breckey Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 JTFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 2002 12M core, but 12E primary. Test Pilot School grad and instructor. Axed. Holy shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Man Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 2002 12M core, but 12E primary. Test Pilot School grad and instructor. Axed. wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 wow. What happened to not being eligible for RIF if you're not eligible for VSP? The note below the ADSC waiver table says "weapons school and test pilot school ADSCs are not waiverable" Wait-when did bro go through TPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olevelo Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 My TPS ADSC was up about a year ago. Found out a 62E TPS classmate got the axe too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 My TPS ADSC was up about a year ago. Found out a 62E TPS classmate got the axe too. Wait - this was you that got RIFd? Un-fucking-believable that they RIFd TPS grads. How much did they spend to send you to that school? Who the fuck is making these idiotic decisions, anyway? Geezus fuckin christ. Well, enjoy your baller job on the outside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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