What's wrong with the Air Force?

[HuggyU2]

Matmacwc!  I'm your Huckleberry!

Being a FAIP from the 1980's, I have mad fix-to-fix skills.  Feel free to drop me a pm and I'm sure we can schedule a video-teleconference and I'll draw it all out (4 colors, naturally) on the whiteboard (no chalk, sorry).

Sewer Rat, we can include you on the call if you want to learn too.  I'm here to help.  

[Prozac]

Pencil method bros. Don’t forget to correct for winds. Also TIM. Forget TIM=clean kill. 

[HU&W]

On 2/13/2019 at 6:11 PM, Torch09 said:

 

(referencing A2CU, 2-piece flight suit)  (Add) 8.12.3.4. The sleeves will be worn down at all times, not rolled or cuffed.

Check parent paragraph. Only applies when in performance of flight crew duties. 

 8.12.3. When worn in the performance of flight crew duties, aircrew must adhere to the following guidelines to ensure the full protective properties of the uniform are maintained:

 

[gearhog]

7 hours ago, Prozac said:

Pencil method bros. Don’t forget to correct for winds. Also TIM. Forget TIM=clean kill. 

I always made my studs do the double-pinch with gloves on a 3" HSI. They loved it.

[Sprkt69]

Good news gentlemen, the pilot AFSCs will be separated for promotion boards. The bad news is that, according to HAF, pilots will have less people promoted to O-5 and above. Acquisitions will have the greatest increase because reasons.

I hear the Guard/Reserves are hiring though. And the airlines

[brabus]

So does that mean more Maj line IPs and less of those individuals forced to move on as new O-5s? In a backasswards way, maybe it’ll some what improve retention. Probably not, but this may actually not be as bad as some probably think it is (not that I would ever advocate staying on AD any longer than you absolutely have to). 

Edited March 7, 2019 by brabus

[pawnman]

28 minutes ago, brabus said:

So does that mean more Maj line IPs and less of those individuals forced to move on as new O-5s? In a backasswards way, maybe it’ll some what improve retention. Probably not, but this may actually not be as bad as some probably think it is (not that I would ever advocate staying on AD any longer than you absolutely have to). 

Yeah. Nothing improves retention like telling people they aren't worth promoting

[herkbier]

The revocation status of the smart card certificate used for authentication could not be determined. 

Thanks Comm. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by herkbier

[brabus]

3 hours ago, pawnman said:

Yeah. Nothing improves retention like telling people they aren't worth promoting

It was a mostly tongue in cheek statement. Though I actually know a couple guys who don’t want O-5 (due to the attached strings that currently go with it), but still want to stay AD for a host of reasons. Not for most of us, but to each their own. 

[17D_guy]

3 hours ago, herkbier said:

The revocation status of the smart card certificate used for authentication could not be determined. 

Thanks Comm. 

Yea, fuck those guys.

[Bender]

...due to the attached strings that currently go with it...

What strings currently come with it?

Bendy

[Homestar]

4 hours ago, pawnman said:

Yeah. Nothing improves retention like telling people they aren't worth promoting

They wouldn't care so much if the pay were to rise more significantly with time in service.

[brabus]

10 minutes ago, Bender said:

 

What strings currently come with it?

Bendy

 

School, undesirable attached jobs, undesirable PCSs, higher 365 threat, a command they don’t want, etc. I’m just the messenger, not saying these are my opinions. 

[Sprkt69]

1 hour ago, Homestar said:

They wouldn't care so much if the pay were to rise more significantly with time in service.

That’s not going to happen. Gotta get buy in from the sister services and there is no way the Army is going to agree.

[ThreeHoler]

Make a pilot pay scale like doctors that accounts for the lost money due to not promoting


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Make a pilot pay scale like doctors that accounts for the lost money due to not promoting


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I agree that pilots should be compensated in the same fashion as doctors, but why not promoted at the same rate also? The promotion rate for doctors to O-5 is practically 100%. Over the course of one’s career, a pilot is (IMHO) tasked with more leadership challenges befitting an FGO than any military doc I’ve ever seen.


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[ThreeHoler]

Non-line vs Line. Old mentalities. Broken systems. DOPMA. The list goes on. Lots to fix and Fingers ain’t gonna cut it. Just look at AMC...they released a 120 page supplement of ADDED material to 11-202...to reduce pubs. This is in addition to another 100+ page 11-2MDS that will only shrink maybe 20 pages.

The machine just doesn’t care.


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[di1630]

School, undesirable attached jobs, undesirable PCSs, higher 365 threat, a command they don’t want, etc. I’m just the messenger, not saying these are my opinions. 

1. Undesirable attached jobs go to O-4’s
2. PCS’s will happen regardless
3. 365, O-4’s are same boat.
4. Simple, don’t apply for the CC list
5. School? Don’t apply/decline.

There are a LOT of O-5’s flying the line because of the experience shortage.

It’s awesome.

If you are a pilot, especially an 11F, the USAF needs you more than you need it.

Don’t avoid O-5 because you think life gets worse, it’s not true.



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[gearhog]

4 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Non-line vs Line. Old mentalities. Broken systems. DOPMA. The list goes on. Lots to fix and Fingers ain’t gonna cut it. Just look at AMC...they released a 120 page supplement of ADDED material to 11-202...to reduce pubs. This is in addition to another 100+ page 11-2MDS that will only shrink maybe 20 pages.

I saw this, also. TL/DR. There's a lot of books and research into how complexity causes collapse... in systems, organizations, societies, civilizations. The Air Force seems to be following the roadmap precisely. Some of the biggest hallmarks are:

- Continuous increase in complexity in spite of diminishing and even declining returns

- Reaching a level of complexity that is unsustainable due to....

- An exhaustion of resources. (Labor and funding)

- Insufficient response to circumstances due to set thinking/creeping normalcy

- Mismanagement by an out of touch elite leadership.

All we're missing are external shocks from the economy, competition (in progress), and conflict.

[pawnman]

11 hours ago, brabus said:

School, undesirable attached jobs, undesirable PCSs, higher 365 threat, a command they don’t want, etc. I’m just the messenger, not saying these are my opinions. 

No flyers are going to be forced into a command without applying for one.  It's possible they'll apply for command and get one they didn't really want... But they aren't going to be SQ/CCs without applying for it.

[tac airlifter]

27 minutes ago, pawnman said:

No flyers are going to be forced into a command without applying for one.  It's possible they'll apply for command and get one they didn't really want... But they aren't going to be SQ/CCs without applying for it.

Some communities are “all in” meaning there is no applying for command.  

[brabus]

11 hours ago, pawnman said:

No flyers are going to be forced into a command without applying for one.  It's possible they'll apply for command and get one they didn't really want... But they aren't going to be SQ/CCs without applying for it.

I know a couple who were given the choice of command or separate. 

[17D_guy]

12 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Some communities are “all in” meaning there is no applying for command.  

Cyber is all in now.  Which means you can roll of a ops unit, taking the fight to the enemy

and doing cool things.

And roll into command a communications cyber squadron at Tinker fixing email and cell phones.

https://tenor.com/NsbZ.gif

Edited March 9, 2019 by 17D_guy

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

I know a couple who were given the choice of command or separate. 

Explain yourself (in a Stewie voice).

Did these guys apply for command, get accepted, then not want the command they were assigned?

I've never heard of a non-vol commander.  I have heard of command-selects get non-vol'd to deployed command.  But that's different entirely.

Or are we talking about different O-5 communities?

[pawnman]

13 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

Some communities are “all in” meaning there is no applying for command.  

I've never heard of this in the aviation community.  I've seen it in support and MX, but flying squadrons have enough officers to pick and choose.  I've rarely seen flying squadron commanders who weren't BTZ, and I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't a school graduate.