What's wrong with the Air Force?

[17D_guy]

Well, this just dropped - 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/01/air-force-busts-retired-four-star-general-down-two-ranks-coerced-sex/97356020/

Edited February 2, 2017 by 17D_guy

[Scram]

four star with 30+ years and not a single air medal...

 

[ATIS]

For those who graduated from the Zoom....any truth to this? 

https://opslens.com/2017/01/17/usafa-training-pc-culture-obama-administration/

 

Cheers

ATIS

 

[Clark Griswold]

13 minutes ago, gearpig said:

Interesting article. I'm not a Zoomie, but I did do a tour with my kids a couple years ago. I had never been before. It was underwhelming for similar reasons. 

The author wrote a followup in the Washington Times recently. Looks like the old Alumni are very upset with what it has become.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/3/us-air-force-academy-has-leadership-problem/

I watched the Inauguration parade, and the AF band and Honor Guard made the Academy look like 5 year olds in a Kindergarten lunch line. 

 

Don't worry... they're all green for CBTs... the main problem and I think there should be an LOR given to someone for not having reflective belts on those cadets.

Edited February 5, 2017 by Clark Griswold

[RTB]

While I don't have first hand knowledge of the what's happening today at USAFA, these articles basically describe the attitude and focus of the AF as a whole.  Our culture has gone from combat to corporate.  Front line folks still have the right focus, but that seems to be in spite of the overall culture, not a result of it.  Depressing to see.

[Clark Griswold]

13 minutes ago, RTB said:

While I don't have first hand knowledge of the what's happening today at USAFA, these articles basically describe the attitude and focus of the AF as a whole.  Our culture has gone from combat to corporate.  Front line folks still have the right focus, but that seems to be in spite of the overall culture, not a result of it.  Depressing to see.

Particularly well said...

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, ATIS said:

For those who graduated from the Zoom....any truth to this? 

https://opslens.com/2017/01/17/usafa-training-pc-culture-obama-administration/

 

Cheers

ATIS

 

The things this guy bitches about are all reasons I did NOT want to go to the Academy.

[Herk Driver]

The things this guy bitches about are all reasons I did NOT want to go to the Academy.

I would argue that the things this guy bitches about are all things that have started over the course of the last couple of Commandants of Cadets and Superintendents.

There is a lot of WHITLY and the place is going to hell thrown around by every class but I find the lack of discipline and decorum disturbing.


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[pawnman]

2 hours ago, Herk Driver said:

I would argue that the things this guy bitches about are all things that have started over the course of the last couple of Commandants of Cadets and Superintendents.

There is a lot of WHITLY and the place is going to hell thrown around by every class but I find the lack of discipline and decorum disturbing.


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I guess I wasn't clear.  The things he complains are now missing (such as "being recognized" and "not calling a former officer in civilian clothes sir") are the things that make me glad I didn't go to the Academy 20 years ago.

[Herk Driver]

I guess I wasn't clear.  The things he complains are now missing (such as "being recognized" and "not calling a former officer in civilian clothes sir") are the things that make me glad I didn't go to the Academy 20 years ago.

So, honest question...20 years ago you are sitting at your ROTC Det/ OTS class waiting on your instructor. You know that the PAS has been talking about having some Vietnam vets visit ( on this particular day) to talk with you about their experiences from back in the day. A guy who is probably 30 years your elder makes eye contact and asks a question about where to find the bathroom, the PAS' office ( you name it) would you not at least through in a 'Sir' in your response?


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[pawnman]

1 hour ago, Herk Driver said:

So, honest question...20 years ago you are sitting at your ROTC Det/ OTS class waiting on your instructor. You know that the PAS has been talking about having some Vietnam vets visit ( on this particular day) to talk with you about their experiences from back in the day. A guy who is probably 30 years your elder makes eye contact and asks a question about where to find the bathroom, the PAS' office ( you name it) would you not at least through in a 'Sir' in your response?


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I sure would, but I've been to the Academy as a tourist.  Civilians wandering the grounds there was much more common than it was at Maxwell.  I don't throw a "sir" into every conversation with a civilian in my off-duty life.  

Like I said, it's why I'm glad I didn't go.  If others really love the military structure and enjoy being shit on during freshmen year, then by all means, sign up for the Academy.  I went to OTS, which was a miserable enough 12 weeks.  I can't imagine trying to do the things I did at OTS while also maintaining a decent GPA.  Maybe I'm just a bad officer though.

[Herk Driver]

I sure would, but I've been to the Academy as a tourist.  Civilians wandering the grounds there was much more common than it was at Maxwell.  I don't throw a "sir" into every conversation with a civilian in my off-duty life.  

Like I said, it's why I'm glad I didn't go.  If others really love the military structure and enjoy being shit on during freshmen year, then by all means, sign up for the Academy.  I went to OTS, which was a miserable enough 12 weeks.  I can't imagine trying to do the things I did at OTS while also maintaining a decent GPA.  Maybe I'm just a bad officer though.

Civilians don't wander the terrazzo anymore, post 9-11 (unless something has changed). Civilians absolutely don't wander the dorms, which is where this "encounter" took place.

Also, cadets know when it is a reunion weekend so they aren't caught off guard by the "random civilian" roaming the hallways.


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[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, Herk Driver said:

Civilians don't wander the terrazzo anymore, post 9-11 (unless something has changed). Civilians absolutely don't wander the dorms, which is where this "encounter" took place.

Also, cadets know when it is a reunion weekend so they aren't caught off guard by the "random civilian" roaming the hallways.


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Nor did they pre-9/11...

[MooseAg03]

Further proof the shoe clerks think they run the Air Force - why does military clothing not sell rank for flight suits anymore? I went there today and they only have 1st and 2nd Lt rank, absolutely no Major or Lt Col and not even a spot on the shelf for it. They told me to order it on the exchange website, but you can't even get it there. I tried to go to alterations and they would only give me one set of take-offs because they have so many people asking for it. I guess I'll just start flying in ABUs since there's no problem finding all of the ranks for that uniform. Doesn't this f*cking service exist to fly airplanes? Then why the f*ck can I not get rank for my f*cking flight suits?


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[Right Seat Driver]

9 minutes ago, MooseAg03 said:

Further proof the shoe clerks think they run the Air Force - why does military clothing not sell rank for flight suits anymore? I went there today and they only have 1st and 2nd Lt rank, absolutely no Major or Lt Col and not even a spot on the shelf for it. They told me to order it on the exchange website, but you can't even get it there. I tried to go to alterations and they would only give me one set of take-offs because they have so many people asking for it. I guess I'll just start flying in ABUs since there's no problem finding all of the ranks for that uniform. Doesn't this f*cking service exist to fly airplanes? Then why the f*ck can I not get rank for my f*cking flight suits?


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The word I got from AAFES is the contractor that made the flight suit/BDU rank went TU, and AAFES is looking for a new contractor now.

I had to order my rank from Vanguard.  It is a lot more expensive than the AAFES brand.  O-4 Vanguard runs $3.55 versus the AAFES $0.95.  Good luck.

[MooseAg03]

Yeah, ordering everything I need from Vanguard is costing $50+. Clothing sales didn't have shoulder boards or metal rank. But you sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.


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[Naviguesser]

10 hours ago, MooseAg03 said:

But your exec sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.

FIFY

[matmacwc]

On 7/18/2016 at 4:39 PM, matmacwc said:

What is wrong? This....

https://www.wltx.com/mb/news/crime/shaw-air-force-colonel-charged-with-child-pornography/275993006

 

not even sure this is the right place to post, Shaw bubbas, words?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/17/air-force-colonel-sentenced-for-child-porn-mishandling-classified-documents.amp.html

Allow me to quote myself, still what is wrong.

 

[Duck]

Can't really blame him for the classified docs (Hillary defense) but man what a terrible story.


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[Day Man]

A folder labelled "Jail Bait" is a little damning to your defense...

[Boomer6]

On 1/29/2017 at 0:28 AM, ThreeHoler said:

 

Is this just fantasy?

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

[MechGov]

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

Maxwell?


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[fire4effect]

On ‎2‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 0:11 AM, MooseAg03 said:

Yeah, ordering everything I need from Vanguard is costing $50+. Clothing sales didn't have shoulder boards or metal rank. But you sure can find everything you need if you're an 0-6.


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You reminded me of a similar situation at one of the small exchanges in Baghdad back in the day. It seemed for the longest time you could find a few lower enlisted rank insignia, O-5 and O-6 rank insignia and I swear I'm not making this up but at least six 4 Star General Officer rank insignias. Those same six sat on the shelf for weeks. I think General Petraeus was the only 4 Star in theater at that time. To this day I regret not buying one as a souvenir as an unbeatable reminder of the sheer buffoonery

Edited April 6, 2017 by fire4effect
clarity

[Cameronjake7]

This is my first post so I guess I'll introduce myself as well. I am an A1C at Minot, with almost 2 years in service, I came to this website to learn about becoming a pilot and the Academy but stumbled upon this forum. I know I don't have near the years or experience that everyone here has but my concerns are just as sincere as the rest. I joined because I truly care about the Air Force. I couldn't wait to leave for basic.. But that's where it all started. I am sure the elders would laugh at what Basic has become. Tech school was a bunch of disrespectful new Airmen showing off in their uniforms. We had one Airman tell a Chief, a CHIEF, to screw off when he asked for his shaving waiver. A good bit of the first term Airman I know can't wait for their contracts to end or are claiming "depression" so they can get out. I just don't understand, is this how it has always been? Is it possible for me to make an actual change? I just honestly care and figured I could ask the guys who have been around for a while.

[HU&W]

4 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Yes. You're not allowed to roll your sleeves up because it's "not in the AFI" per a certain inspection team at a certain UPT base...

If only AFI 36-2903 was written to be in compliance with AFI 33-360, 1.9.3.2.1 and table 1.1, there wouldn't be so much confusion as to who can waive the requirement to keep sleeves down.  If, for example, "Non-compliance puts Airmen, commanders, or the USAF strongly at risk of mission or program failure, death, injury, legal jeopardy or fraud, waste or abuse."  The the AFI's approving official would have to be consulted.  If not, it could easily be waived by MAJCOM/CC or even Wing/CC.  Certainly, a GO at HAF should have the necessary authorities.