Guest LRTandA Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I know you all are past this point, but the mini pin is probably like the gift wings given to wives/mothers/girlfriends at UPT grad, they're less than an inch long. I really hope no one would ever mistake those as a real part of the uniform though, but I guess they have to be specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitzo Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I just received this today in my email inbox... 2. If you are to engage in an activity requiring a utility uniform,when that activity is over and there is remaining duty day requiring your presence you need to change into blues. Likewise, if you come in early before said activity come in blues and change into utilities. What? Doesn't everyone have their own private bathrooms nowadays? Oh wait, that's only the leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKinnear Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 I just received this today in my email inbox... Gotta love it! New Monday blues policy from our OG: 1. Sims on Monday will be done in blues. 2. If you are to engage in an activity requiring a utility uniform,when that activity is over and there is remaining duty day requiring your presence you need to change into blues. Likewise, if you come in early before said activity come in blues and change into utilities. 3. If you are wearing a utility uniform, please minimize your activities outside the squadron or the necessary areas requiring utilities That sux! On the upside, the blues policy will go away quickly the first Phase/EP sim and you're suckin' O2 with your full compliment of ribbons and large wings. Bring a camera and give 'em a big I'd put that on my desktop at work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowe96 Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 Myself and another copilot will definitely be rocking the nogs and blues on monday at our sim. Pictures to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxhead Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 1. Sims on Monday will be done in blues. Awesome, blues are back to being utilites. Fine. Just make sure that when you get a tear in your pants or in your shirt or even perma stain them doing whatever...your sq HAS to reimburse you for them...you know how you just get new fligth suits when you screw them up? If blues is mandated and in the accomplishment of yoru duties, they are wrecked...they have to be replaced...by the AF.... Way long ago when I was still wearing blues on duty as a LE troop...I don't think I bought blues for a few years, and wore them pretty much every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourFans Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 So do UAV pilots flying OIF missions from Creech have to wear blues in the box on mondays? If so, that is setting horrible precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat Platypus Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I just bought 3 new V-neck shirts for this BS. I have to go to some formation on Mon and it was originally going to be in bag till someone remembered it was on a Monday. Anyone know if you can still wear the V-neck with the flight suit? We used to do it in UPT for funnies and I think I want to bring it back. Maybe this is part of the economy rebuilding plan since all the dry cleaners get some business back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discus Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I just bought 3 new V-neck shirts for this BS. I have to go to some formation on Mon and it was originally going to be in bag till someone remembered it was on a Monday. Anyone know if you can still wear the V-neck with the flight suit? We used to do it in UPT for funnies and I think I want to bring it back. Maybe this is part of the economy rebuilding plan since all the dry cleaners get some business back. We used to do "White trash T-Shirt day" last year when I was in AETC. The AETC sup to 36-29 chow my hog says that brown, black and white V-Neck's are authorized. (I carried the reg with me to stop annoying point-outs from shoes) My buddy from Skool and I wanted to do it here at Tinker, so I went looking into the reg, and the ACC sup, but it seems that in ACC you can only do brown or black T-Shirts, so no White Trash T-Shirt daze for us in ACC... Refer to your local command supp as well as the wing supp to see if it's authorized... And if it's not, go for it and feign innocence if you are called out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xray678 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I left the Air Force over 12 years ago. I just finished reading most of this topic and all I have to say is you have got to be kidding me. Doesn't the Air Force leadership have bigger problems to deal with? What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 So if Monday is a holiday (Columbus day), how about we make Tuesday a virtual monday! I mean come on, the commissary does it - we don't want to let our professional image take a back seat to a national holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slacker Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 So if Monday is a holiday (Columbus day), how about we make Tuesday a virtual monday! I mean come on, the commissary does it - we don't want to let our professional image take a back seat to a national holiday. Careful, you could find yourself black-balled from another airline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuggyU2 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I still wear V-neck T-Shirts. The problem is that a few years ago, the major brands changed the "V" to make the opening smaller. So, with the new one, the white T-shirt shows prominently inside your flight suit. If you find a brand with the older, more open V, post it here. I only have 1 old one left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxhead Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 So do UAV pilots flying OIF missions from Creech have to wear blues in the box on mondays? If so, that is setting horrible precedent. Hell no brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Smoke_Jaguar4 Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 I still wear V-neck T-Shirts. The problem is that a few years ago, the major brands changed the "V" to make the opening smaller. So, with the new one, the white T-shirt shows prominently inside your flight suit. If you find a brand with the older, more open V, post it here. I only have 1 old one left. The Reg (er, 'Instruction') authorizes the "Athletic undershirt". Otherwise known as the "wife-beater", this is a sleeveless undershirt with a wide U-neck: http://www.thefind.com/apparel/browse-jock...etic-undershirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluto Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 So if Monday is a holiday (Columbus day), how about we make Tuesday a virtual monday! I mean come on, the commissary does it - we don't want to let our professional image take a back seat to a national holiday. Everyone at CBM had to wear blues today since yesterday was a holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoney Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Everyone at CBM had to wear blues today since yesterday was a holiday. wow... the original memo didn't say anything about this... hey sir... guess what I did at my base since we had off on monday... that's right, we put everyone on blues on tuesday! just like the old days! people need to quit making shit up... we have enough rules to deal with already. [rant] it seems like because we do our jobs well, people have to find ways to make our jobs harder... instead of making people's lives better, it is easier to twist the information in the CSAF's memo to fit somebody's "OPR-agenda" to have the appearance of "accomplishing something." [/rant] unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toro Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Everyone at CBM had to wear blues today since yesterday was a holiday. That is re-gawd-damn-diculous. I was kidding when I made the post (I saw somebody in their blues and figured maybe they thought it was Monday), but crap like this doesn't surprise me any more. CBM leadership needs to choke themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boom Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Everyone at CBM had to wear blues today since yesterday was a holiday. That doesn't sound like the Col Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BQZip01 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 1. Bags should be for those who fly - front end, middle, back end in an aerospace vehicle as it is a utility uniform specially designed for the aviation environment - NOMEX properties, etc. Make allowances for UAV pilots/sensor operators? 2. Missileers wear what they are directed to. Throw the flag at the USAF leadership that decreed the change - leather jackets included. 3. Back in the dark ages, I wore the old 'crew blues,' transient alert-type two piece fatigues with the oh-so-stylish polyester 'dickie.' That was replaced at whatever cost by the blue crew uniform (blue flight suit), followed by the all-purpose 'everybody's special' green bag. All of the above were/are pointless. Wear the green fatigues/BDUs/ACUs to/from alert, then put on your sweats and bunny slippers like has always been done. 4. I then went to a FACP GCI site - BDUs, pup tents, duece and half trucks, 1st generation M-16s, M-79s, and M-60s but still in use in the early 1990s. 5. Then went to AWACS and JSTARS where the green/desert flight suit was the duty uniform. Worst item ever for comfort outside of the 60-70 degrees with 45% humidity weather range. You stew in your own juices when it's hot/muggy and you suffer incredible 'shrinkage' when the Oklahoma or Korea winter slides right in via the body-length zipper. I couldn't even wear the black tennis shoes, er, boots so popular due to having Frankenstein-ian feet. 6. Fini assignments on Air Staff and FAA HQ where blues followed by the post-9/11 'warrior' uniform policy, so quickly back into bags or BDUs. BDUs were the best uniform of the bunch. Comfy, take the shirt off if it gets hot, can do shit with out worrying about trashing it, etc, etc. Never got around to ACUs before retirement, so no comment there. Blues are just cheesy. Bags are pretty useless unless actually flying/hanging out in the squadron. If you fly, you get to wear a bag. If you don't, you don't. But everybody gets the PT uniform. Now that's BTW, silk scarves were also used to protect the pilot, mainly figher type, from serious neck chafing - to the point of rawness - from the endless, but life-saving vitalness - of having to keep his skull on a swivel during long missions. WWII Mustang and other long-distance escort pilots would be doing the lighthouse imitation for 5-8 hours per sortie. If he didn't see the other guy, there was a good chance he wasn't going home. 1. UAV pilots can wear it if they are already qualified as pilots. It is a matter of simplicity: they already wear them as rated personnel. If they don't already have them, TS 2. Missileers wear what they are directed to wear...for the purposes of wearing NOMEX and protecting themselves in case of fire or fuel/other liquid leak. It is a safety issue, but a weak one. In general, though. Couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Just saw this in the ol'inbox: MEMORANDUM FOR ACC UNITS DOWN TO WING SUBJECT: ACC Uniform Wear Policy 1. To supplement Gen Schwartz' mandate regarding the Monday wear of the blue uniform, I want to emphasize the importance of implementing our Chief's guidance with minimal exceptions and as much uniformity as possible. 2. Effective immediately, ACC military personnel will wear the blue uniform every Monday as the uniform of the day (UOD) unless their specific duty on Monday requires a utility uniform. Entire organizations are not exempt from this policy. For example, aircrew scheduled or expected to fly (aircraft/simulator), crew chiefs, and HVAC technicians would wear a utility uniform on Mondays due to mission or safety requirements. Conversely, aircrew not scheduled or expected to fly, members of the Maintenance Operations Center, and CE operations managers are expected to wear a blue uniform. Similarly, CONUS operations centers, even those supporting forward operations, are expected to make every reasonable effort to comply with this policy. These examples are not all-encompassing, but should guide any exemption discussions. 3. All combinations of the blue uniform are authorized in accordance with AFI 36-2903, Dress and Personal Appearance of Air Force Personnel. Installation/wing commanders (or DS for MAJCOM/NAF staffs) determine which combination (long-sleeve or short-sleeve) is appropriate, however all personnel wearing a blue uniform will be "uniform" (wear the same combination on a given Monday.) Flight suits, ABUs, and BDUs remain the authorized UOD for duty days other than Monday. 4. Questions or concerns may be directed to the ACC Personnel Programs Section (ACC/A1KKM). //Signed// JOHN D.W. CORLEY General, USAF Commander So I guess no more wearing wheel caps unless everyone is wearing wheel caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old crow Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Offutt mandated long-sleeve shirts with a tie for all from now through March. What's next? Mandatory cardigan sweaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TacAirDrvr Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I can't take it anymore, I wish all of these tools would just go KILL THEMSELVES!!! WHAT THE F*CK SIR, DID YOU THINK THIS WOULD RAISE......OR LOWER MORAL. I cannot stand it, all of the shoe clerks putting uniform wear regs in the shitter stalls, Chiefs walking around base "talking" to me about my uniform, someone asking me where my ribbons are, and this past Monday when I wore my short sleeve shirt, yelling at me about the F*CKIN email that I missed because I was TDY about wearing F*ckin long sleeves and a tie, I don't own a long sleeve blue shirt and..........WAIT.........THE F*CKIN Clothing sales, is.....SOLD THE F*CK OUT!!!! Sorry had to vent, sometimes, I hate being in AMC, too many tools!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F16Deuce Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Offutt mandated long-sleeve shirts with a tie for all from now through March. What's next? Mandatory cardigan sweaters? Sorry I was staring at your avatar....what was your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I think I am going to extend my tour here in Korea. USFK is exempt from this madness. Oh, sorry Osan and Kunsan, 7th AF is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Well since we no longer take our BDUs to get starched and pressed, they got to find another way to get our money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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