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Sorry to hear about your situation. I lived through this with many friends washing out of my class. A few went to 89 rides and made it. I always told them that I don’t think I could have handled the stress of an 89 ride. If it makes you feel any better, and I doubt it will, UPT gets a lot harder, more so in the “everyone flew T-38 days”. If you struggled with landing a T-6, you may have killed yourself, or your IP, in a -38. As far as your next step, I agree with what the others have said, I know a few guys who washed out and are enjoying a great career at the Airlines. I also know a few guys who are very wealthy and are in the cybersecurity field.. Good luck.

Huggy, It may do those guys some good to go back to old school flying. I’m sure by the time the B-21 is in service, the T-7 will replace those -38’ Alphas anyway.

I’m trying to download another approach plate, but the website says I maxed out my attachments.? how can I fix this?

Continued, My T-38 IFG CBM. 1986 Remember these were flown at 300 plus knots, with no autopilot, GPS, or VNAV.

There is one aspect to some of the maneuvers we flew at UPT in the past that some of you younger pilots may not be aware of. I am 100% confident that the UPT of the past was not to train young men to be Air Force Pilots, but instead, it was a massive mind-game to weed out the weak. This isn’t meant to demean younger Pilots who went through a kinder/gentler UPT or a boomer’s rant about walking to school in a snowstorm , uphill, both ways. It’s just a fact. Formation Landings, Circling approaches, and intense formation training in the T-38, as well as fix to fixes, insanely complex SID’s and approaches, were all designed to weed people out, as well as determine a students learning curve. Most of us had less than 100 hours total time and we were flying 38’s in fingertip formation and performing form landings. I still have my old T-37 In-Flight Guide. I wince at the approaches and SID’s we flew with 10 altitude and airspeed restrictions in the first 10 miles. They made everything complex and difficult on purpose.

All Democrat voters I’m sure.

As the saying goes, “Liberalism is a mental disorder”

#Pride Month, I’m still trying to figure out what are they proud of?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12187671/San-Franciscos-dying-downtown-hit-Westfield-stops-making-mortgage-payments-mall.html Another Democrat success story..

The reason why liberals live in liberal cities and states is because the “Takers” outnumber the “ Makers”. The MAKERS are taxed more, their businesses and success are ostrisized by the Left and their wealth is targeted by the Left, so they leave. The Takers, stay because they are the recipients of Democrat largess. Show me a City or State that’s better off under Democrat rule. I travel the country all the time. Cities like San Fran, NY, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, are all in decline, and rapidly in the last 5 years…all run by Democrats. NSplayer, I’m glad you hope to live back in the City…Hope you and your family will be safe..I know in NY today, none of my relatives or friends , all native New Yorkers, even want to visit due to the parade of crimes we see each day on the NY News. Oh, and don’t forget, If you defend yourself on the subway after a psycho criminal threatens to kill you, You may get arrested for it, and they will erect a memorial to the psycho criminal..Fu$#@ng ClownWorld. Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

I’m curious how many of our resident Liberals live in Liberal states and cities paying huge liberal taxes and exposing their families to liberals committing crime with impunity. At my airline, the few liberals amongst us, all preach social justice, equality, compassion etc as they sit ensconced in their safe, well run, low tax Republican States. I grew up in the Bronx, and it’s hard to be liberal when you see their policies and programs crash and burn around you on a daily basis for decades.

Nsplayer, Without any research on my part, I’d be very certain that the Suburban Obama and Biden Voters were overwhelmingly women. I’d also venture to guess most suburban men are republicans. Which reminds me of a line in the original Godfather movie. Don Corleone is aged and working in his garden, when he has a heart to heart with his Son Michael, his heir apparent. He tells Michael, “Women and Children can be careless, Men can never be careless” fast forward to 0:50

NSplayer, I was aware that Bloomberg is really a Democrat, But he ran as a “R” because the NY Dems didn’t support him. Nevertheless, He continued Rudy’s policies. Good on you for the facts. To answer your question why only 9 out of 50 of the top US cities are run by Dems, here’s my opinion. There are the “Makers” and the “Takers” in society. The Makers live in the exclusive enclaves of the city or more likely the suburbs. The Takers live in the city. Look at the voting demographics in any large city and the burbs are Republican, while the City is democrat. The democrats cater to and attract the takers. The takers stay in the city where they are taken care of, and the makers leave. Let me throw a question back to you. “Why are the Democrats so hell bent on opening up the border?” They are pandering to illegals, because these are the future voters for their party. They are importing votes. Do you think an illegal will vote for a party that promises to give them everything, or a party that promises them nothing but equality of opportunity? It’s a travesty. take care, good debate.

NSPlayer, I'll be blunt..I grew up in The Bronx during the 70's and 80's. Those were the Ft. Apache years (look it up) anyway the City was a mess, high crime, people leaving in droves, financial issues, high taxes, an Garbage and graffiti was everywhere. Rudy Guiliani gets elected Mayor, the first Republican in a long time. He"s tough on crime and within a year or two the streets are cleaned, the beggars are gone the"Squeegee" guys harassing motorists gone, and the City experiences a Renaissance. 42st street, went from a drug infested, crime zone filled with druggies and porno theaters to something akin to Disney world for tourists. the murder count dropped from over 2500/year to 400/year. the City stayed that way for 14 years under 2 Republican administrations until a democrat was elected in 2014 Bill DeBlasio. Since a democrat was elected the city has reverted back to the dirty, crime ridden, days. I know because I live and work near NYC. The same has happened to the State of California, Portland, San Fran, Memphis, Chicago, the list is ENDLESS. and its all under Democrat rule. Democrats have a knack for ruining things, and people are noticing and voting with their feet. If you haven't noticed yourself, open your eyes.

He was a 17 year Major and accepted the ALCE job with the understanding that his flying career was over. He didn’t argue, and agreed. His heart wasn’t into flying anymore, and had no future flying aspirations.

Nsplayer, You are delusional if you think Memphis is a “fun city” Also you’re more than delusional if you can’t understand all these shithole cities are entirely run and ruined by Democrat policies and democrat administrations. Watch this video, it happened a few weeks ago in Memphis. BTW I only knew 2 pilots in 28 years who were Democrats, now I know 3. https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1661436370173263873?s=20

We had a C-130 pilot who had issues transitioning to the C-17. Turns out he was a weak sister in 130’s and his unit dumped him on us to cull the herd. He was pretty bad. I flew his “elimination” sim and he screwed up often. The Sq CC basically told him to take a non-flying job at the ALCE or face a FEB board. He took the ALCE job and finished his career there.

As others have mentioned, the utility of a F2F in the real world is limited, however as a screening tool in UPT to see what studs could hand fly, calculate, and hit the intended fix within parameters was a discriminator. Half of the maneuvers we did at UPT were designed to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Some of this thread remind me of my Tweet IP’s in 1986 who were looking forward to flying the brand new Fairchild T-46 in a year or two (?). I retired from the AF in 2014. In 2003 the AF announced the T-46/767 tanker. My Goal was to get a plug on the new 767 Tanker before I retired (11 years in the future) it never happened, Procurement takes forever. The T-46, Tweet replacement that never happened

I graduated UPT in 1987. I can tell you the F2F was the cause of a large percentage of checkride busts. Take a look at the Tweet cockpit and try to do a F2F using the RMI only. Doing them in T-38’s was so much easier with a proper HSI.

I probably posted this before, but one of my all time favorites. “Fighter Pilot” BBC, 1981 on YouTube. Probably the most realistic depiction of UPT, except it’s the RAF..You can see the anxiety, joy and heartbreak all of us went through attending Pilot training.,great show, about 6 episodes

SocialID, you posted: “These incidents have dropped dramatically since I started laying over mostly in Midwestern small cities” What you really meant was mostly in Midwestern Republican cities. Fixt it for you😁 there was a glaring common thread in all the shithole cities you mentioned, and it begins with a “D” They ruin every place they touch..It took Rudy years to clean NYC up, and one term under DeBlasio and this new clown and we’re back to the days of Ft.Apache!

Jam, You are so off base it’s scary. First Neely had over 40 prior arrests, and in the recent past he arbitrarily punched a 67 year old woman in the face messing up her jaw..He wasn’t provoked by the lady, just decided to punch her. He threatened everyone on the train, so don’t try to Philadelphia Lawyer your way around the truth. This guy was mentally unstable, and a predator. My Daughter lives in NYC and takes the subway, I grew up in the Bronx..the media is making this shithe$# look like he was some innocent guy, who enjoyed impersonating Michael Jackson on the subway,Far from it! He ranked in the top 50, I repeat TOP 50 criminals in New York City…he got 110% of what he deserved.dot period. You’re clueless if you defend this clown. read below..play the game, pay the price Neely had committed a series of violent crimes in New York City. In 2015, he kidnapped a 7-year-old girl. In 2019, he punched a 64-year-old man in the face. In 2021, he punched a 67-year-old woman in the face as she exited the subway, causing serious injuries. Despite being arrested 44 times, some netizens feel that Neely has never been held accountable for his actions and has not faced "real justice" for terrorizing the people of New York City.

Don’t forget reparations too!

Thenewgazmo, It’s a bright new shiny toy, plus a perfect leadin for the airlines. Of course there is going to be a line to fly it. Same as there was a line to fly 135’s back in the late 50’s and even Buffs, when they were new.