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I hate wading into the bomber free-for-all again, but the initial point (valid or not, its a statistic and we all know about those) was a comparison of various platforms in an attempt to get a cost per DPI. Several people have discussed range and loiter time. If you want to make this comparison (still not claiming it holds great value) you need to hold some of the variables constant to get a good comparison. Therefor, you either need to compare fuel burn and targets on a short range sortie (Nellis range from Nellis?) or compare fuel burn and targets on a long range sortie (F-16s flying from Diego Garcia?) Second, you throw out that B-1s aren't nuke capable. They were, but the US Government traded that capability away as part of the START treaty. If we really had to, I'm sure the B-1 could go back, but I hope they don't. Does the B-1 work with JASSM? Yes, I ran OT&E. We train to that capability. I'm sure you also know that MALD is initially planned to go to the B-52 and F-16 (Objective platforms) and will eventually migrate to others - B-1 included. As to the initial statement that the B-1 may go away soon, I highly doubt that given its current role in the CENTCOM AOR. We now return you to a debate about lies, damnable lies and statistics.

I was at Upper Heyford .... as a dependent. Very interesting to get the BBC and ITV take on events. Where were you at the time? Alconbury?

You can't really be assigned to the Aces II test bed and get butt hurt over that.

That guy again! He must have thousands of hours in the Viper, but his takeoffs are 20% higher than his landings.

Gotta go with the multiple. Aviators and alcohol lead to unusual attitudes in every sense of the term.

Its prop guys so how about Carb (carburetor) Ice Bucket or Mixture Rich Lounge

Leadership second guessing is nothing new. Early in my career, a friend was bringing a jet back from the UK when they got a "Vibe Hi" light somewhere over Scotland. In the B-1, those lights are either spurious (bad sensor) or they indicate that the motor in question is about to come apart catastrophically. Because you can't tell the difference, you treat it like an impending failure. The AC shut down the engine and returned to their point of departure. Leadership hit the ceiling and wanted to know why they didn't bring the jet home, across the North Atlantic, in clear violation of Dash 1 emergency procedure guidance. There is no situation too clear cut to be Monday morning quarterbacked.

Maybe he was frocked? If not, he's definitely frocked now that he's been caught. Frock YOU!

My bad, should have looked it up before posting. I've corrected the offending post.

Don't know what happened to SOCALs original post, but yes this is a travesty. This thing was definitely only ever going to work in a permissive, counter insurgency environment. The article cited the company president, Mr (formerly Gen) Deptula, former Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance at Headquarters Air Force. That is why we are continuing to buy this while at the same time shit-canning the brand new C-27s.

Sadly, no, that is ops normal in today's Air Force. I might add that quote to the AF motto thread.

Air Force: If I can't trust you to wear the uniform right....

Just got the link to this site this evening from a friend. Its got a bunch of close up photos of the restored B-17, Aluminum Overcast, both inside and out. Its worth a couple minutes. https://home.comcast.net/~szee1a/Al_overcast/Al_overcast.html

Wait, it was an Eagle crash?

Sarcasm meter readings inconclusive.

Do you ever get the feeling part of the story is missing? Was there some squadron that had a game of full contact football and used the pregnant females as the offensive line? Hell, the extra weight will help them slow down the defense /sarcasm. I guess a service that doesn't trust us to cross the street or walk in an area with no vehicles in the dark would find this a necessary measure.

I've wondered before why the service that wanted me to cover my AF issue helmet in 100% reflective tape in case I fell in the water designed a uniform that can't be seen in water. Maybe they can get a 100% reflective utility uniform with sewn in floats. Put the floats in the right places and you won't have to go to the gym to buff up either.

Fred turns into a wind tunnel with the doors off and the pilots can't see with the doors open.

I've seen it done in the ANG. It was a way for a flyer to get career broadening without PCSing. These days I would see it as a way to stand out from the rest of the crowd. If you have prior experience, it might be a great way to move up. It probably will result in less flying though - I guess it depends on how you prioritize those two factors.

So you're saying Kim Jong Il faked his death and then assasinated his son dressed as a ninja? Yeah, that sounds like one of his plots. Its the only way to stage a brutal coup when you are already the Dear Leader.

M-9? Gyrojet?

Good manners means never finding out the hard way that they guy behind the counter at McDonalds just got out of the big house for murder.

Here are a couple of my favorites. JASSM launch out over the WSMR AR on the same sortie Formation out over the Great Lakes. We were in Chicago for the Airshow. I liked the lighting and the ship in the background.

I think if we are going after the Iranian Nukes, cost is no object. Its the opposite approach from BQZips mom, or at least thats what I heard from HOSS. Dollar menu at McDonalds is the BeNo line.

I see two possible answers. 1. 2. Drop a MOP, make a 360, drop a second MOP. Now your crater should be much deeper. The other option would be to put a B-61 in on the second pass, and claim it was a secondary explosion inside the target.