BFM this

Nope. After college you had no skills, no training, no marketability, no credentials. What the AF was offering was a fair market price for the commitment that it asked. This latest iteration of the bonus is nowhere near a fair price. I am not advocating that anyone punch. But it is a gross undervaluation for anyone to consider this a good deal. Stay in, by all means. But retain the most valuable chips in your stack, at least until the pot is right.

Occasionally, yes, but predominantly, no. My point was that the AF has no qualms about throwing manning and rank planning out the window to suit its needs.

I remember asking as a new capt, why we couldn't have enoug tx seats to get everyone back from white jets, ALO, staff, etc. I was told that we couldn't have all of those Majors and LTCs coming back because there weren't enough jobs for them in a flying squadron. Funny, it seems as though Creech has a much different perspective on that issue.

Osan gets neither, even with P518 sorties.

The perfect storm: -11F take rate tanks, like below 50% tanks -11F retention actually goes up This, IMO, would scare the living shit out of AFPC. Won't actually happen, but it would be funny.

Story is up on AFTimes. I bet they hit their 65%. I weep for the mass of "fighter pilots" that don't understand the value of their own capabilities and qualifications, and having the OPTIONS available to ply either, be it service or in the private sector should continued shitty management drive that way. The AF might as well be offering magic beans.

Fair enough. However you slice it, still a sucker's bet. At least it is at these mid 1990's prices.

3 year bonus was $15k per year. 5 year bonus was $25k per 8 year would be $40k per. Of the above three options, the best deal by far is clearly D) 0 year bonus.

So, if I'm reading this right: $225k over 8 years? $28,125 per year, up from $25k. Right. So the AirStaff, contrary to popular belief, does have a sense of humor. I think the economics of a longer commitment is being lost somewhere. Old math was $15k per year for three years, vs. $25k per year for five. There is a huge fucking reason for the two thirds bump in annual rate for those extra two years. 12% for three more years on top of that? Not just no,... Following the old trend line, $40k/yr for an 8 year commitment, but even then... Oh well, I've got that "e" time, so apparenly I won't be eligible, but it should be entertaining, nonetheless.

Ok, everyone is thinking it, so I will ask: Will PYB ever achieve the Tim Martins level of notoriety to which he so obviously aspires?

It would have to be a bizzare set of circumstances. He is in the perfect community to be "selectively removed" from the kill chain on a day to day basis, all while providing his services as seatmeat the rest of the time. Keep in mind, it's not as though he is strapped in his own jet, operating with autonomy away from leadership. My bet is that they (leadership) already have the threat template, and have the situation under control.

And the Marines, specifically, would bristle at this notion. The smallest service, never a full fledged department in their own right; they have a genetic dread of a dystopian future with one joint "purple" force. It would mark the end of their identity.

I thought that we had a rental thread, but a brief search turned up zilch. (Mods: little help if I missed it.) So I am about to get rid of a problem tenant in San Antonio. For the most part, I am just happy that he is gone. But the thought that is nagging at me is that I really should put the data of his conduct out there. Obviously, he owes me money. Not a lot, but enough. Has anyone worked with a collection agency? I'm not expecting to see a dime, but what concerns me is that he is in a military town, and I got a snippet of data that the new place he is about to move into is owned by another military member. I wish there was some way that I would waive that deal off, but at least I can put his bad dealings on file with the credit bureaus. Anyone had to deal with a bad tenant before? Any pointers? I'm specifically looking for insight into the collections and credit reporting processes.

Dafuq? That "Preview Post" button works like a champ.

David Lee Roth? ?????

But that wasn't your going-in argument, it was $250k/10y. That is a fantastically better bonus. For AFPC. It is orders of magnitude shittier for the member. But there will be takers; a bird in the hand and all that. What's the ETP? WGAS? The AF won't ever get anywhere near it, you know that.

The low hanging fruit on this initial post was the idea of officers getting their bonus installments tax free. Not really. Remember the limits on CTZE for officers. You might see a grand or so excluded, but that's it. Minor point. I really wasn't saying anything about take rates, per se, just that the only difference in the 10yr bonus vs the 5 yr, at the same annual rate, was that it is double the suckers' bet. A significant change in the annual amount, and the logic could shift, but otherwise, BitteEinBit put it far more eloquently than I could: As far as "pacing pay" with the airline guy, the 5yr-bonus Tortoise beats the 10yr-bonus Hare, imo. Assuming that someone was going to stay in to 20 regardless (not a bad decision necessarily given the size of the unlocked annuity), the 5yr bonus guy can get out at 20, whereas the 10yr bonus guy gets out at 22 - 23 years. Fast forward to those same two individuals at their age 65 point, the one who got out at 20 was in the industry for an extra 2 years. The 10yr bonus guy, although he was gainfully employed with a much more comfortable paycheck for those two years (assuming he avoided all of afpc's pitfalls; desk job, etc), looses out on an extra two years, not at the bottom, where everyone starts, but at the top of the pay scale. Lets not forget, the 5yr bonus guy has a line number that is probably hundreds, potentially a thousand, senior to the 10yr bonus guy. That difference alone could easily spell years worth of furlough time. But there are so many variables, that the money can't reliably be computed in my opinion. RIFs, non-flying, RPA, the next shooting war, furloughs, bankruptcies, medical, getting hit by a bus, the list goes on. At some point, the best attempt at a calculation is going to approach an insurance actuarial table; a best guess. As far as break even points, I haven't crunched the numbers at all compared to a lot of others on this board, so ask them. I'm only saying that the 10year bonus idea is snake oil. Buyer beware. If the AF told me, today, that I could take the bonus or get out, right now, I'd be a vapor trail. Even ignoring any unicorns that might be on the way (hiring wave), I can bump my pay $25k per year without a whole lot of effort. For the record, I've been a staunch nay-sayer on the airlines for a while. If I went that route, it would be because the kid still wants to fly airplanes. But I know full well what I'd be giving up by making that deal with the devil, and that he could take his due at a moments notice.

Wrong. On both counts. Just got off work; sarcasm?

Why the hell isn't it a syllabus event already? Oh wait, it probably runs counter to some contractors statement of work or other queep.

Any chance we can merge this thread with the Omega thread and move it to the spouses forum?

Most likely scenario is good and all... Really this harkens to the debate over arming 121 carrier pilots. If in that situation, yes, I would want to be armed. If faced with that particular debate, yes, I would concede that the chances of successfully employing my weapon and saving lives would be astronomically remote. But again, that debate, like this one, begs the question: would you rather have that last-resort option, or be left wishing you had it?

I would not want stock (or options) in this company.

I really have no idea what you are trying to say, Yoda.

Wait... You took notes?

Diversity AFI says this is gtg.