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There is no plan, none whatsoever. The left’s main message for the last decade has been hey we aren’t Trump all while bitching and whining about how bad Trump’s policies are with zero coherent messaging on actual policies that America could get behind. They never learn. When Trump goes off into the sunset in a couple years they will be left with nothing; except for the communists they have let into their mainstream political arena. Check out NYC and Michigan.

Not a Jessie Waters fan but this is an excellent summary of the current DNC situation: Party in shambles. Communists are taking over. Election autopsy being covered up. DNC Chair in hiding and soon to be fired. DNC broke and mega-donors (Soros), staying away. Kamala back as the favorite for 2028 and she is OPENLY calling to kill the electoral college, expand the court to 13 and to add PR and DC as states to secure DNC power forever. Other key DNC leaders calling to get rid of the Senate, end the presidency (use an appointed admin), end prisons and defund all police. Old Guard DNC (Carville/Maher), fed up with the uber lunacy of the far left. Ultimate Irony - NYC govt run grocery stores REQUIRE ID (but voting doesn't)...clown show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1pztU_TRso

Anyone on the left want to address this? I read @17D_guy saying in the Iran thread that the Democratic party isn't going violently left...but most of us on ALL sides see it different and tend to agree with Mahar here. If your response is going to be ad hominin against Mahar, save it, we've heard that with Rogan. I'm a legit independent and I want a healthy system. Letting actual communists gain any power over one half of our political system is absolutely unacceptable. Seriously, what is the plan for a healthy Democratic party? Where are your open mic debates on campuses? Where is the pride in being American? Where is the recognition that communism is, in fact, a horrible idea?

Sure. But I think it's more likely that we're in an environment where the American people want everything for nothing and there is no shortage of politicians willing to offer it. The failure to provide the impossible will keep ping ponging the party in power. Terrible execution, no argument there. But I think the DSA surge has more to do with what I said above. We're in the bad part of the cycle, and the politics are going to reflect that Sure, but I listed a lot of very good policy from the conservative perspective. Trump pairs it with unhinged social media posting and rampant lying. And familial corruption now. That'll drive voters away for sure, but again, not more than the unrealistic voter expectations. The flaw in the logic is that: @No One is trying to say Kamala would have been better. Trump may drive voters to the Democrats, but the response to that isn't to give crazy Democrats power earlier. Just like I wish the Republicans picked a better candidate (DeSantis), I wish the Democrats did too. But they didn't. We got two idiots, but with very different policy. And Trump's policy is overwhelmingly good. Everything else about him sucks. I don't care about hypothetical candidates. There wasn't a Clinton Democrat to vote for.

Kamala being portrayed as some sort of semi-centrist “garden variety democrat” has me actually rolling on the floor laughing. You mean the woman who was the Border Czar, did absolutely nothing, and allowed massive waves of human migration from third world shitholes? Don’t look now, but that’s the far lefts playbook being actively played out around the world at this very moment.

Now it's leftist? This is a semantic game at this point. Kamala was very progressive. It's funny because we were supposed to take everything Trump says literally, but now we don't worry about what kamla says? This conversation is at least useful in demonstrating how successful the extreme leftists have been at moving the goal posts. Personally I think anybody who supports cutting the tits off of a 14-year-old has no business being considered moderate in any capacity, or run of the mill.

This is all pretty run of the mill leftist social justice stuff. I know you don’t like any of it and neither do I but most are 80/20 issues that are easy to combat. It’s also clearly chum thrown out to the far left during an election cycle. We don’t have to guess what she’d do in office, she was already an AG and the VP and wasn’t remotely this extreme. Candidates say all kinds of stuff to get support and then do the total opposite.. reference Trump saying no new wars. How’d that one turn out 😂 Judging by actions Kamala is a low aptitude low ability establishment dem. But instead of getting that admin waffling around for 4 inconsequential years we get Trump curb stomping rakes on a daily basis and he’s gonna hand the country to the far left’s true believers, some of whom have a scary level of talent

how'd she do as our "border czar"? kamala is for open borders and mass illegal immigration.

The few times she was able to put enough words together to stake out a position, it was not at all establishment. Medicare for all was her most mainstream position, but the other were... Not Abolish all private health insurance Federal Jobs guarantee Green New deal Banning fracking and offshore drilling Mandatory gun buyback for "assault weapons" Bail for protestors/rioters Abortion until birth Trans surgery for prisoners on government dime Prisoners voting Pack the supreme Court/dump the filibuster Sanctuary cities On and on and on Again, I disagree completely with the notion that Trump is the one creating interest in the DSA. For starters, it predates Trump. And second, I view Trump as the conservative version of the DSA. It's just a politician who tells the voters everything they want to hear with no ability to follow through on most of it. Some of you guys weren't paying attention. Then Trump showed up and all of a sudden the absurdity of it all made you look around and now you see the rot and corruption, but some of us have been watching that for decades. All Trump did was pull the mask off of DC. The DSA was coming regardless of who won on the conservative side. Same false premise., was not an establishment Democrat. Or at least not a Clintonian/Kennedy Democrat, if we need to get specific on what establishment means anymore. And remember that Joe Biden was supposed to be the moderate choice and he ended up regurgitating Bernie Sanders' platform for 4 years. The moderates are not going to win for now. The Democrats have one, he had a debilitating stroke and yet is somehow the only sane voice in the room. He's not very popular in the party these days.

The irony of you calling me out for “tribalism” from a post where I was calling people out for that very thing is hilarious. Not to turn this into another political bitch fest thread on Baseops, but the only one being blinded by tribalism between us two is you. Yes, I am thankful every single day that Kamala Harris is not President. The Democrat party of today is an absolute disaster that is hell bent on destroying this country. Trump is a side show. A cluster fuck of a side show at times, I’ll give you that, and frankly it’s a show I’ve criticized many many times on this very website. It’s also one that the democrats are successfully weaponizing to elect and then enact their own disastrous candidates/policies. That I very much believe is a problem and a huge drawback to Trumpism. But to lecture on about who is bigger threat to this country when the democrats continue to trot out absolute batshit candidates and policies; yeah, sorry, it’s weak and it’s boring. I mean hell, Bill Maher came out and said his vote is in play this next cycle. That’s how far off in La La land the current Democrat party is. I’ll also add, my vote is always in play too. I’m a registered independent and thanks to the military I’ve lived in both deep blue and deep red states, and now willingly live in a purple to slightly blue state. In fact, the two senators from my state were both once legit centrist democrats that I also once voted for as a younger man. They of course are no longer that and trot out the same batshit party line as everyone else from the Democrat party these days. Frankly I don’t give two craps about what party you’re from if you actually have solid centrist to center right policy ideas that might actually make this country better. Both parties struggle at that in many ways, but the democrats are putting nobody forward that even comes close. Anyway, pointless and worthless internet rant is now over, but spare me the holier than though lecturing and crocodile tears of “BUT TRUMP!” I’ve stepped outside the political tribal bubble plenty of times in my life when I’ve gone to the ballot box. Back to regularly scheduled Iran cluster fuck, version 4.0 or later whatever we’re on.