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No. You didn't miss anything. I think straw men are the only arguments they can make anymore.

Ok, I think I'm tracking your line of thought. Here's what I'll say: -Scenario one is the president doing something I think is stupid, but entirely within his role/authority as the president. The one China policy was always a presidential policy. -Scenario two is highly dubious, with a president threatening a war with a defense treaty partner (and all the associated constitutional problems), which would obligate the rest of the alliance to go to war as well. I say all that, fully believing NATO would just fold. From a utilitarian/outcome perspective, the first one pokes a bear (maybe put them in their place, maybe start something), the second seriously impacts our future treaty negotiation position (maybe for the better, maybe not). Either way, what is in our nation's best interest is actually open for debate in both cases. From a rules/procedure perspective, the first one is in line with the rules, the second seriously threatens even more expansion of executive power if it goes unchecked by congress/judiciary. Thankfully, Trump has a tendency to throw shit at the wall and then react based on popular opinion. So he backed away from the military threat (without ever making an explicit threat), whether that was a polling thing, or a GOP reaction thing, or social media. Once you remove the military threat aspect, him tariffing and pushing to buy Greenland falls back into things I think are stupid, unproductive, and ultimately not in our best interest. But I have lots of political opinions that run counter to popular opinion, and he got elected so is what it is. All I can hope for is SCOTUS will slap down the "emergency" tariffs BS.

That is infuriating. I despise our acquisitions system even more now, which is a pretty large feat at this point.

It's a valid consideration. Granted, the pellets aren't going to spread that much, and they're going to go in the direction you're pointing it at, so I don't think it's a massive collateral risk increase compared to rifles and pistols, but it's definitely a real risk. I think I would still grab the shotgun first and rack it loudly, to make sure the threat is transmitted. At that point I can grab another option sitting next to it, and hand the boom stick to my wife. What did you get in 5.7? I got that wretched PR57 from Keltec and love it, so now I have to start looking at more 5.7 options. The PSA uzi-looking gun they are developing sure looks fun.

Because it is a flying pile of Poo! There are so many issues but the ABM community has been abused for so long they jumped at the first girl without a mustache who paid attention to them. Wedgetail is 20 year old technology mounted on a 49 year old design. The 737 has been engineered to the max extend of its potential thus Wedgetail will have a 20 year old radar flying in the mid 30's. Epically dump for SOOO many reasons. Boeing underbid to get the sole-source, within 12 months they announced they were $400M over and needed help from the govt. The Boeing 737 line has a 10 year backlog and even using National Defense priority, they can't retool fast enough to make Wedgetails fast...our Allies are SCREWED...they are at the end of the line, even behind purchases by other airlines. South Korea is divesting their Wedgetails which should tell you something...you should see their performance on a hot summer day. I can talk about it now...my previous company submitted the same time as Boeing with a proposal to put a brand new radar on a Bombardier that would start at FL47 and step climb to FL51, 12+ hours of endurance (unrefueled), the same number of crew stations as Wedgetail...the detection physics alone moving from FL33 to FL47 are staggering. We submitted an 800 page package with 400 pages of engineering documentation from tests and other work we had done on the Bombardier platform. We received a reply ONE HOUR LATER - no technically viable, the sole-sourced to Boeing the following day. I'm sure they reviewed in depth our input. The system is not screwed, it is corrupt and broken and the ABM community is going to get EXACTLY what they deserve...warm poo.

So you are saying there is a chance....I used to think that it would never happen, I live in a nice place, very low crime, one or two murders a year that are almost always domestic...until six months ago when we had a home invasion robbery about a mile away. I would rather prepare for the worst and be wrong than have it happen and be unprepared so I invested a little time and effort to at least think about it. Also, as we posted in another thread my area has an increased awareness for retired SOF folks...there have been other indicators outside the memo released by SOCOM a few months back. Especially when we were still in Afghanistan and Iraq. We had individual crew dogs and their families get calls at home from overseas...the caller would state the name and address of said crew dog followed by a threat. I've gone back and forth on the shotgun...yes they hit hard but throwing 8 large pellets around the house has both good and bad consequences. The arrangement of my house puts my son's room on the opposite side of the house but inline with the interior exit to my room (I also have a door out to the pool deck). I have of all thinking a Beretta M-9 (I can hear the laughs), in a fingerprint lockbox under my bed. I can roll out of bed and open the box within .69 seconds. I have big hands and the M-9 is a big gun, so easy for me to grip. For some reason I can drive nails with that gun....drives me nuts but I am more accurate with that than any of my other pistols. Maybe all that USAF training paid off? My son is off in college now so with just my wife and I the calculus changes. From there I am five steps to my closet and a Beretta A300 which holds 9 in the tub and one in the chamber plus six in an attachment. The bandolier is mostly a joke, my wife bought it for me so I have it hanging with the A300. I will likely keep my new 5.7x28 with an integrated can in the hit bag if the ATF ever fixes the new system (14 days and counting). If I make to my office and my big safe then it is on like Donkey Kong.

That’s key right there. Regardless of caliber or gun, if the purpose is to kill, never cheap out on ammo. And I will also never rely on reloads for self-defense.

My scorpion is what I want to put a FRT on, though I haven’t seen one for it yet. If I’m going to waste a shitload of ammo, might as well be 9mm. Specific load, springs, and if a gas gun, then also gas system length and gas block settings, all factor into functional reliability. If you’re talking your MP5 (not a gas gun), then I’m guessing it’ll work great with subs, but wouldn’t be crazy that you may have to try a few different loads to find one that works well. This is a good reason to reload - fine tune your ammo to exactly what a specific gun likes. Trust me, just take a trip down that rabbit hole!

Literally no one is doing that. In fact the answers to the realpolitik question are arguing against it. Did I miss something in the middle there? I am arguing in good faith. I bring up two different scenarios because of the way the people responded to them. It's not about Biden. It's about different yard sticks being used to measure the actions of different presidents while people declare they are being objective. Allow me to rephrase these two situations more circumspectly: - The US president, with no prior warning, unilaterally re-establishes US foreign policy concerning it's defense of a non-treaty nation against the US's biggest military rival on the planet in a moment when that rival is making political and physical threats that it will finally do what it's been claiming it would do since the 50's and retain Taiwan. All while China's president Xi is known to respond very poorly to threats that may make him appear to lose face. Moreover this is all happening at a moment when that nation is military very active and the USA has finally completely it's withdrawal from Afghanistan and is decidedly not ready for military action in that venue yet has military forces in and around the area and has for a very long time. - The US president makes brazen claims about wanting to have control over a semi-autonomous allied country/landmass that belongs to another allied country who has already set the precedent of selling the US land in the Atlantic/Caribbean. All while the US has no real reason to threaten this because Denmark has historically been very amiable and arguably one of the US's most steady allies, even going so far as to pay for infrastructure changes that the US requests. This blustery idiotic exchanges is set in a military environment where the neither country has much military footprint involved, and the US has neither the political, military, or legal justification or capacity to invade/occupy Greenland. Both are poor situations. I'm not addressing the follow-up on either situation. We do not need NATO. We have a vested interest in a peaceful Asia. Which is worse for the USA? My personal analysis is that people are putting the current exchange about Greenland on the top tier of existential problems while they simultaneously downplayed an event that literally could have led to a conventional exchange of arms over the Taiwan straits. To me, Taiwan was us poking a bully nation that was/is looking for any excuse to respond. Greenland in political theater the likes of which almost every president has conducted and amounts to siblings fighting with no real threat of actions. More to it, this is Trump's MO, and has been for his whole political life. I was in a NATO staff when he threatened to pull the US out if the allies didn't pay what they said they would. It was a bluff and everyone knew it. All the nations in that stuff literally laughed about it. Most countries didn't pay and the US is still in NATO. This is how Trump operates. I disagree with it. I think it's detrimental to his purposed. I think it's not how nations should interact, but I can't change it. I can just recognize what it is and what it isn't. We're not going to invade Greenland, so maybe people should stop acting like it's the end of the world that the USA is finally acting like a superpower again and demanding to be treated as such. (sidebar, i'll be curious to know what's happening in the background right now that no-one is paying attention to because of the Greenland noise...that's ALSO Trump's MO)

I get it. I just find the bodies response to be amazing. The scenario you're talking about (home invasion) has a miniscule chance of happening to you depending on where you live. People base a lot of their thinking Why I love competition shooting. Adding movement and stress REALLY affects your shooting ability. Static line shooting does very little for your skill set once you have a basic level of familiarity with whatever platform your using.

There is another part of the response that in my opinion is more important than the impact on hearing....fine motor skills. "The fight-or-flight response significantly impairs fine motor skills by redirecting blood and resources to large muscles for immediate survival, reducing blood flow to extremities, and shifting cognitive focus from complex tasks (like writing or precise movements) to basic survival, leading to clumsiness, poor dexterity, and decreased accuracy in fine motor tasks like handwriting or detailed work, especially as heart rate increases." It WILL impact your accuracy...the best way to overcome is through training. Another reason I prefer a weapons with more ammunition.

Right, but if my ears aren't physically damaged, I have a better chance of bouncing back quickly. I've certainly experienced the auditory exclusion while hunting and overseas. I can't do a lot in the moment to stop that, but I can avoid breaking my tiny ear hairs. The ones on the inside. Not the outside.

What does Biden have to do with this? I didn't vote for him, and I don't have a double standard. Yes, the senile old man said shit that was not particularly bright. But there is a categorical difference between threatening an unprovoked act of war against a Senate approved mutual defense treaty ally and responding to an act of aggression by China. And you can't be stupid enough to not understand that. Try arguing in good faith, you might like it.

The body has a fascinating response in fight or flight situations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_exclusion In times of high stress, caused by both visual and auditory triggers, a person's “fight or flight” response can be triggered as they descend into a state of hyper-arousal. This is an evolutionary response involving the sympathetic nervous system that is triggered as a reaction to a perceived threat to the individual's life to help increase the chances of survival. The adrenal gland is alerted and as a result, adrenaline is released into the individual's bloodstream. This causes a number of physiological changes like increased heart rate, increased breathing and hyperfocus on the threat at hand.[4] Additionally, cortisol is released from the adrenal glands which can provide the body with more energy in the short term. Contrastingly, over longer periods of time cortisol can obstruct thought processes, especially in high-emotion environments. As a part of this, the processing of auditory information can be stopped completely, causing temporary hearing loss.

Who is justifying that?

For Greenland? Any military action. Diplomatic and economic I can't think of a line outright.

First line of defense is a pump action shotgun, unchambered. I know some people are very paranoid about announcing themselves, but to me it's far more likely that the person in my house is going to be one of my kids or someone I know who's being dumb, and I don't want to shoot that person. Hearing a shotgun rack will cause 99% of people to either announce who they are or start running if they shouldn't be there. If it happens to be that 1%, buckshot is a very persuasive crime deterrent.

I have not had an issue with cycling on my AR with 300BO. The issue with subs for home defense is the hollow point functioning properly. A higher end bullet will really help with that, but you just can't go buy whatever no-name brand hollow point sub and assume it'll work properly. I bought some cheap ones during the ammo scarcity a few years ago because that was all I could find. I shot a pig and it ran off and was never recovered with virtually no blood at all so I'm 99% sure the bullet never opened. I've shot and tracked a lot of animals and this trail never had any hope at all. Only a couple specks at the impact site. If that were a person, there's a pretty good chance they'd still be in the fight after that one hit. Of course, you can and should keep shooting without pause until the person is on the ground and that'll help mitigate the bullet not doing quite as much damage as it should if it doesn't function. Even after experiencing that bullet failure, a suppressed 300BO AR would still be my first choice for home defense.

My buddy has one of those. Great gun. With this particular purchase the focus is on the frt, and what gun will be the most fun with it. I don't consider the FRT to be anything but a toy for lots of manufacturing and legal reasons. Truth be told, this is my second choice. The ultimate gun for an frt would be a Thompson 45, but I am yet unaware of anyone making that adaptation. It's got a bit of a hard on just thinking it's that gun with an frt and a drum mag 😂🤣. Depends on The gun. On some you have to swap out the spring, but on others like the MCX rattler and a lot of the newer guns, you'll have a valve that can be adjusted at the front of the gun to change the gas pressure. Suppressors are great, but you're missing out if you haven't been using subs.

All of you justifying a US military takeover of Greenland have lost your minds. Lay off the testosterone supplements and MAGA media.

300BO with subs and suppressor. Ballistically similar to 45ACP at short range (superior at longer ranges) with less recoil than a blowback action. Hopefully allow me to talk to my wife and kids and cops immediately afterwards without temporary or permanent hearing damage.

My only concern with subs (which I have not yet tried), do they still have enough gun gas to reliably cycle the weapon. Break break - what are others using for home defense and why?

Yes. Were you as concerned when Biden openly said that yes, the USA would would defend Taiwan if China attacks it...even though it has literally been US policy for decades to specifically not say that? This space is messy. There is no room for double standards based on emotional responses to the assclowns in charge. Are you sure you're using the same yard stick with Trump that you did with other presidents?

I think it was 2013 or so I first flew with the Aussie E-7. 13 years later and here we are. Screwed indeed.

So even with this funding and the fact it’s already flying missions with allies we can’t field one until 2032 ? Our process is screwed!