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7 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

Gents,

Update, I shit you not. I guess at the HAF whomever was in charge of creating the involuntarily separated notification memos  went through the promotion spreadsheet and created them for anyone whom was passed over APZ. Our CC called yesterday and did some digging and helped discover the complete breakdown in process. They should be getting their continuation letter shortly...Unbelievable

Completely believable given the absolute dysfunction we see today...I wonder what the Shoe promotion rate was...

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BFM this    310
1 hour ago, jrizzell said:

Gents,

Update, I shit you not. I guess at the HAF whomever was in charge of creating the involuntarily separated notification memos  went through the promotion spreadsheet and created them for anyone whom was passed over 1APZ. Our CC called yesterday and did some digging and helped discover the complete breakdown in process. They should be getting their continuation letter shortly...Unbelievable 

 

Buuuuullllsshiiit

I would take that non-continuation letter, frame it in carbonite, send copies to an attorney, the Washington Post, and an unnamed trusted agent in case I were to befall "an unfortunate event", and demand my separation pay under threat of contacting all 535 congresscritters.

Their fuckup.  They own it.  #PayUp

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The_Vandall    1

I think anyone forced out through the continuation board process is actually entitled to TERA.  I had created a previous post about it, but because I had included a link in the post it required moderator approval.  So, here's the info:

Under Title 10 Code 632, Paragraph (2), Section (a), if a member is forced to separate due to being twiced passed over for promotion (and not continued as under Code 637 of Title 10), then the member: if he is eligible for retirement under any provision of law, be retired under that law on the date requested by him and approved by the Secretary concerned, which date shall be not later than the first day of the seventh calendar month beginning after the month in which the President approves the report of the board which considered him for the second time;

You can look it up yourself by searching for Title 10 Code 632.  Cornell University is a good site for it.

As the results of the board were reported in May, then members are required to leave service by 01 December of this year.  As TERA is enacted by Congress (and therefore a law), then anyone separated after their 15 point is entitled to TERA. 

ALSO, big update.  According to the DFAS website TERA is extended through 01 December 2025.  I'd post the link, but just search for "temporary early retirement authority DFAS" in Google.  The DFAS page was updated on May 15th.

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Skitzo    128
Completely believable given the absolute dysfunction we see today...I wonder what the Shoe promotion rate was...


If that is true, I would think that this person should get some paperwork. But they won't. Fail a PFT however, that's serious business.



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schokie    57
1 hour ago, The_Vandall said:

I think anyone forced out through the continuation board process is actually entitled to TERA. 

Anyone going to press to test on this one? Sounds like some barracks lawyer story that Big Blue will be quick to crush. But it would be sweet justice to see someone out-shoe the shoes. 

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blahblah    0

FNG Here, good gouge and just wanted to contribute.... I was 2 BPZ w/DP and a #1/5 eligible from a 2 star, did not make it.... not a rated guy, 6X type. I do have a 2 APZ guy that works with me, rx'd his continuation letter with no issues.

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jrizzell    2
2 hours ago, The_Vandall said:

I think anyone forced out through the continuation board process is actually entitled to TERA.  I had created a previous post about it, but because I had included a link in the post it required moderator approval.  

All I can speak to is my experience, when I was offered continuation, that was it. I had no choice between that or TERA. You could be correct; however it seems like the AF essentially tells you what your option is. You can take it or leave without anything. 

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2 minutes ago, jrizzell said:

All I can speak to is my experience, when I was offered continuation, that was it. I had no choice between that or TERA. You could be correct; however it seems like the AF essentially tells you what your option is. You can take it or leave without anything. 

He's saying if you're denied continuation you can TERA.

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bennynova    38

This mess up sounds like it is 100%the fault of the personnel department at the senior raters location.    They are given the spreadsheet with the results.   Another document lays out what continuations are offered and gives 7 or 8 templates.  It all a hodge podge of a mess.  But it's. It really big AFs fault that the personnelist couldn't take the time to do their job correctly 

 

some people were further comtinued (to 24 years) some were continued to 20. 

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gearpig    1,553

Simply amazing.

Reminds me of the movie "Inception". With that letter, the Air Force created an idea, even in the minds of pilots who might have stayed in, that "The AF is done with me and I am done with the AF."

I wonder how many came to accept that idea before the reversal. In a matter of minutes of reading it, I'd have already been making plans and backup plans. I don't doubt it sent a few down a path they may not have gone down had they not gotten it. 

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Jaded    387
6 hours ago, BFM this said:

Buuuuullllsshiiit

I would take that non-continuation letter, frame it in carbonite, send copies to an attorney, the Washington Post, and an unnamed trusted agent in case I were to befall "an unfortunate event", and demand my separation pay under threat of contacting all 535 congresscritters.

Their fuckup.  They own it.  #PayUp

This is the best. I hope someone (everyone) does this. 

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The_Vandall    1
Simply incredible.
Reminds me of the movie "Inception". With that letter, the Air Force created an idea, even in the minds of people who might have stayed in, that "The AF is done with me and I am done with the AF."
I wonder how many came to accept that idea before the reversal.


Having survived through cuts beginning back in 2006...I think a lot of folks have been keeping "options" warmed up on the back burner. An officer would have to be pretty thick-skulled and naive to not be ready with an alternative or two in regard to their service in the AF.

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dream big    129

Apparently this was a blood path for rated eligibles in many bases...wtf.  Is this some big conspiracy to force people out who might have stayed thus fluffing their arguement for stop loss?!

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matmacwc    1,093

If you have been passed over, get the F out and find something else.  It's like holding on to a high school girlfriend that breaks up with you when you go to college, its all good in the end.

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Bender    166

Looked like 122 BTZ, all selects; 59 I/APZ selects out of 1101 I/APZ promotes. Feels like we're short on pilot Generals, not just pilots.

Gotta get them to that pole year,
Bendy


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bennynova    38

Most bpz are usually 11s and 12s

 

  which would minimize the IPZ the following year.   

Makes sense to me.   

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pawnman    675

So, just saw elsewhere that the overall rate to Lt Col was 72.1%. (unofficial, of course).  But what was disheartening to me, personally, was that the rate for 12B was about 50% (56% for B-52, 47% for B-1).  This, despite the fact that every B-52 and B-1 squadron is short more 12Bs than 11Bs.

I guess they're already starting to phase us out for the B-21.

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dream big    129
4 minutes ago, panchbarnes said:

At least one non-rated select on the list is toxic and unqualified.  Very disappointing.

Ah but I'm sure his records were pristine, that's apparently what matters.  I wonder why they don't incorporate a boarded interview for promotions (at least Lt Col and above.). Not saying the toxic wouldn't slip through the cracks but maybe then you could get a "whole" person view of the officer? 

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panchbarnes    163
24 minutes ago, dream big said:

Ah but I'm sure his records were pristine, that's apparently what matters.  I wonder why they don't incorporate a boarded interview for promotions (at least Lt Col and above.). Not saying the toxic wouldn't slip through the cracks but maybe then you could get a "whole" person view of the officer? 

#1 strats down the left, expert volunteer even as an FGO.  I don't think an interview would have changed anything.  The pristine records were the results of checking the right boxes and having the right mentors.  Job knowledge and leadership not required.

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ihtfp06    291
1 hour ago, di1630 said:

Ops was out-promoted by support....I have no words.








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How did you come to this conclusion?  There hasn't been anything posted to static reports yet.

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