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otsap    10

It's probably been mentioned before, but it would be a significant (and maybe easier?) change if the bonus was tax-free.  It would be a lot of money to the person receiving it, but since there aren't a lot of bonus takers in a given year, it wouldn't even cause the lowliest IRS agent's assistant secretary to look up from their calculator.

If Congress is so reluctant to up the bonus on the front end, then without affecting their front end costs, they could improve it on the back end (sts).

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How about making all military pay tax free?  That would probably have an effect on retention and recruiting.  Oh, and the only people that would deploy would be those that really need to. 

Wait, scratch that.  I propose all military pay be tax free after the first $100.  That way we'd still be considered "tax payers" and not merely mercs.  Symbology, you know.

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Gazmo    101

Looks like they're starting to tap guard guys with command stink in MilPDS for 6-mo command tours in CENTCOM... involuntary mobilization. Looks like Big Blue is getting desperate. I remember the days they wouldn't let ARC staff anything over there to preserve PRF bullets for the AD. Oh how they change their tune real fast. The ARC will bleed just as badly if that starts to be abused.

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nunya    206
11 minutes ago, Gazmo said:

The ARC will bleed just as badly if that starts to be abused.

Worse.  ARC guys generally have the ability to exit much faster and with a much less uncertain future.  A guy already holding a purple seniority number, but on mil leave to work at JFHQ after a command tour, is not nervous about feeding his family "on the outside."

I guess they'll learn that lesson the hard way. 

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Bergman    227

Oh wow.  This will end well, I'm sure.  Guys who are topped out at O-5 with over 20, with an outside airline gig, who are just staying around (losing money!) to fly the mission and teach the young guys, are going to bail in droves.  Probably 20% of my squadron fits this demographic, and I promise you none of us will do a 6 month deployment.

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SocialD    385
4 hours ago, Gazmo said:

Looks like they're starting to tap guard guys with command stink in MilPDS for 6-mo command tours in CENTCOM... involuntary mobilization. 

Do tell...

1 hour ago, Bergman said:

Oh wow.  This will end well, I'm sure.  Guys who are topped out at O-5 with over 20, with an outside airline gig, who are just staying around (losing money!) to fly the mission and teach the young guys, are going to bail in droves.  Probably 20% of my squadron fits this demographic, and I promise you none of us will do a 6 month deployment.

This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  

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SurelySerious    416
23 hours ago, otsap said:

It's probably been mentioned before, but it would be a significant (and maybe easier?) change if the bonus was tax-free.  It would be a lot of money to the person receiving it, but since there aren't a lot of bonus takers in a given year, it wouldn't even cause the lowliest IRS agent's assistant secretary to look up from their calculator.

If Congress is so reluctant to up the bonus on the front end, then without affecting their front end costs, they could improve it on the back end (sts).

Pretty sensible, which means McCain et al would outright reject it. 

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Smokin    145
17 hours ago, SocialD said:

Do tell...

This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  

Just the latter?  If they really start involuntary mobilizations for individual non-combat deployments, I think you'll see guys across the board start to walk.  Even guys within a couple years of 20 active time would consider walking.  Won't get sent away from your family for six months only to make unnecessary powerpoints with the airlines.

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?  If said commander does literally nothing as a commander other than sleep, eat, and workout, will he get sent home for 'lack of confidence'?  With squadron commanders getting fired right and left over the past five years, seems like it would be easy to turn a 6 month tour into a 6 week trip.  And since he's guard, if he did get sent home, could big blue really do anything about it if his TAG had his back?

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Gazmo    101
Worse.  ARC guys generally have the ability to exit much faster and with a much less uncertain future.  A guy already holding a purple seniority number, but on mil leave to work at JFHQ after a command tour, is not nervous about feeding his family "on the outside."
I guess they'll learn that lesson the hard way. 
This!  Although, we pretty much have zero dudes staying past 20.  The few that do are either leadership or only have 20 due to their enlisted time...I would look for the latter to bail at first sign of the above happening.  
I know a guard tanker WIC grad who got tapped for a 180, involuntary mob and a Sq/CC fresh out of commander school who got tapped for OG/CV in CENTCOM. The WIC guy put in for retirement and the Sq/CC got creative and was able to get out of it, but it's definitely getting to that point...

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17D_guy    307
15 hours ago, Smokin said:

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?

This is cyber now.  Everyone is all-in for the CC pool, no one can opt out if they have retainability.

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Hunter Rose    1
On 8/17/2017 at 11:12 PM, Chuck17 said:

Depends on your 11/12X categorization... in a nutshell for old guys who took (and it expired) or didn't take the bonus, they'll give you cash (up to 35K a year) to stay a min of a year, out to 22 - or max 24 years of service... again, all depends on what you flew, so need to check the MyPers to see where you fit.

Chuck

The PDSM says 22-24 YAS for 2nd bonus takers. 

Acronyms on SURFs is not my strength, does YAS = Years Aviation Service or Years Active Service?  

If aviation service that means 22 years of flying min calculated from when you started UPT so you'd have to serve beyond just 22 years. 

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Termy    59

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

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Homestar    360
4 minutes ago, Termy said:

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

Day one of phase 2 is my guess. 

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SocialD    385
On 8/21/2017 at 8:28 AM, Smokin said:

Interesting point to ponder, is a command tour something you can really non-vol someone into?  If said commander does literally nothing as a commander other than sleep, eat, and workout, will he get sent home for 'lack of confidence'?  With squadron commanders getting fired right and left over the past five years, seems like it would be easy to turn a 6 month tour into a 6 week trip.  And since he's guard, if he did get sent home, could big blue really do anything about it if his TAG had his back?

Ya I'm not sure your TAG would have your back if you were a total shit bag, especially if your TAG is Army.  On top of that I would think the TAG would have to sign off on such a non-vol...checking into that. 

We habe people on base being activated for 6 months all the time. They're just not pilots...medical, TMO, Comm, etc...  They're just usually volunteers because many of these guys want orders and don't really go tdy or deploy much.  

15 hours ago, Gazmo said:

I know a guard tanker WIC grad who got tapped for a 180, involuntary mob and a Sq/CC fresh out of commander school who got tapped for OG/CV in CENTCOM. The WIC guy put in for retirement and the Sq/CC got creative and was able to get out of it, but it's definitely getting to that point...

Have you talked with them about the activation?  Was this a direct activation or just that someone in the squadron needed to go?  

48 minutes ago, Termy said:

I'm nearly certain YAS is years aviation service which starts the day you are entitled to flight pay. Ie first day of upt

My ACIP/AO date is the day I started pilot training.  

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Gazmo    101
My ACIP/AO date is the day I started pilot training.  
It went through NGB to fill the hole and NGB must have ran a MilPds query on who was qualified.

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ihtfp06    291

Here's an idea. HAF could offer the bonus with a 10% increase annually. 30K, 33K, 36.3K, etc. there would be an opt-out clause if Congress doesn't raise the AVB ceiling. This would show the AF is serious about making changes, while putting the onus on Congress. 0.69% chance this happens.

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Swizzle    30

Easy fix: let guys take the bonus pay when they specify, namely anytime during the contract period, in any amount. Make it like a bank account from DFAS...the servicemember determines when to payout the money; and when it gets taxed. The AF would get a few more takers that way. 

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soupafly06    2

I signed up and took the Devil's money over two months ago and my anniversary passed last week and so far I haven't seen a payment.  How far after your anniversary did anyone who signed up early get paid?  My assumption is since the agreement was processed months ago that payment would be fairly quick once the anniversary date passed.

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Swizzle    30

NDAA 2018 passed House of Reps (much like last year) with:

  SEC. 617. INCREASE IN MAXIMUM.    AMOUNT OF AVIATION BONUS FOR 12-   MONTH PERIOD OF OBLIGATED.  SERVICE.

 Section 334(c)(1)(B) of title 37, United  States Code, is amended by striking  “$35,000” and inserting “$50,000”.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/2810/text/pcs#toc-H9B96A0BBCDD9434EAE44E3AF62ABBA4B

 

Now...what is the Senate going to do?

 

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