3 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

 Chronic masterbation 

Sounds like... hard work 

It's called the BIT (Break in Training) program, you hang out in your UPT -38 squadron begging for rides.  I saw guys hanging out for a year, kind of gets the whole career off on the wrong foot.

9 minutes ago, matmacwc said:

It's called the BIT (Break in Training) program, you hang out in your UPT -38 squadron begging for rides.  I saw guys hanging out for a year, kind of gets the whole career off on the wrong foot.

If the BIT is post-IFF (and they're single) send them TDY to fly black jets for those months. No begging required.

4 hours ago, tk1313 said:

No, mainly because shoving more pilots into a single jet doesn't solve your problem. Eventually, the "good flyer" jets will have to go into phase inspections and the like (365/728). Plus, I'm pretty sure the stealth upkeep requires more time in the hangar per flight hour.

lol

3 hours ago, BFM this said:

If the BIT is post-IFF (and they're single) send them TDY to fly black jets for those months. No begging required.

Pcs them to black jets. We'll get them good and salty before their bcourse

 

 

3 hours ago, BFM this said:

If the BIT is post-IFF (and they're single) send them TDY to fly black jets for those months. No begging required.

 

28 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

Pcs them to black jets. We'll get them good and salty before their bcourse

 

 

What do you mean by black jets?  T-38 Aggressors? 

6 hours ago, Thor said:

Snap question:

Since IFF and B courses are so backed up, what do the new 11Fs do until their class starts?

Make corn and stock the beer fridge...

2 hours ago, Thor said:

 

What do you mean by black jets?  T-38 Aggressors? 

Yerp. Wave of the future and past. 

1.3 of yelling "pew pew pew" and kill removing. 

And, pound for pound, the greatest consumers of grilled cheese sammiches in the active duty. 

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1 hour ago, HossHarris said:

Yerp. Wave of the future and past. 

1.3 of yelling "pew pew pew" and kill removing. 

And, pound for pound, the greatest consumers of grilled cheese sammiches in the active duty. 

You just wanted to use "sammiches" in a sentence.

22 hours ago, Thor said:

 

What do you mean by black jets?  T-38 Aggressors? 

What do YOU mean by "what do you mean by black jets"?

Edited March 14, 20178 yr by BFM this

2 minutes ago, BFM this said:

What do YOU mean by "what do you mean by black jets"?

As a sensitive new age pilot (select) I'm offended and expect an apology.

22 minutes ago, Thor said:

As a sensitive new age pilot (select) I'm offended and expect an apology.

Then you don't get to speak.....dead man, missile back.

On 3/9/2017 at 7:39 PM, Rooster said:

All the current 38 classes at CBM were washed back starting with 17-08. 08 was split, 4 staying in the class and 4 were washed back. The next classes were all washed back. 17-14 already had 3 or 4 38s from 17-13 washbacks.

So what the long term outlook? Are 38 selects just going to keep getting washed back or get sent to Sheppard? Does this mean that CBM will get less 38 drops in the near/long future?

On 3/13/2017 at 8:43 PM, HossHarris said:

Yerp. Wave of the future and past. 

1.3 of yelling "pew pew pew" and kill removing. 

And, pound for pound, the greatest consumers of grilled cheese sammiches in the active duty. 

Sounds like a great mission for an AFRC takeover. Bankers hours plus flight time sounds great for us quitter types that no longer have pretenses about our so-called career claim to fame. :D

Shhhhhh. Don't tell anyone. It was once the closest thing to the proverbial flying club I had ever seen. Once. 

20 minutes ago, HossHarris said:

Shhhhhh. Don't tell anyone. It was once the closest thing to the proverbial flying club I had ever seen. Once. 

Ain't that the truth!

Speaking of BITs... word in the MAF is that studs can only have a max BIT of 10 days from UPT grad to PIQ... meaning the unit is getting a copilot that has not done SERE yet.


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16 minutes ago, the g-man said:

Speaking of BITs... word in the MAF is that studs can only have a max BIT of 10 days from UPT grad to PIQ... meaning the unit is getting a copilot that has not done SERE yet.


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What clown reinterpreted that rule to get a OPR bullet? Its not a break in training its an entirely different course. I just had a LT show up and then head straight to SERE, becuase nothing helps a guy brand new out of the Schoolhouse like adding another month of not flying on top of the time it takes to PCS, inprocessing & do the local mission ready.

We just got a Lt too, that now has to go to sere. Really F's with the deployment tracker.


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We've been regularly sending guys to SERE after completing the B-1 B-course.  Mostly it's the WSOs who show up without it, but there's the occasional pilot.

So no more grad flight at UPT bases? That was a nice vacation.


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On 3/13/2017 at 9:58 AM, Duck said:

An unforeseen consequence of the lack of 11F presence in Phase II I would imagine as well as the ability to quickly build hours in the MAF. I also see more younger guys already building exit plans from AD.

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No, ever heard or PIC?  All hours are not the same.  100% of fighter hours are PIC from nearly the start.  I would think AFRC fighter hours would get you passed 1500 quicker.

No, ever heard or PIC?  All hours are not the same.  100% of fighter hours are PIC from nearly the start.  I would think AFRC fighter hours would get you passed 1500 quicker.

"Ever heard or PIC?" Not sure what you're trying to get at...

I don't know brother. Leaving the ANG/Reserves out of it, almost all the AD heavy guys I know upgraded to AC in 1-2 years and had 1000 multi-engine PIC time less than 2 years after that. Some of my bros in the fighter world are just now hitting the 1,000 hour mark by their O-4 board due to bad deployment timing, the stand down in the CAF, etc. And for all my viper brothers it's all single engine time.

I realize the hours aren't the same, and as far as I know their isn't a consistent way of converting between the two. Is 1,000 viper hours equal to 3,000 C-17 PIC hours? What about T-6 IP time or T-38? These days it seems like it is all the extra stuff getting dudes hired (IP/EP, Safety, WIC, AIS... etc.

I'm trying to figure out why the kids don't want to be AD fighter pilots as much as they used to when I went through. I don't think you can discount that there is 0% 11F influence in Phase II while the students are at their most impressionable part in their aviation career.

What do you think?




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I think you are correct about the influence in Phase II, I also think the kids see fighter guys defiantly deploying for 6 months at a time and might be getting told the heavy bro's just out and back the crappy locations.  When I was a Phase III dude, we used to hang out in the T-6 flights that were about to track and just talk to them, don't know if it helped or not.  The students these days are much better informed than we probably ever were (I graduated in Sep 2001, yes, that month), I just wanted to fly fast and drink with my friends, didn't see that as an option with the heavy side of the house.  Now days, they can read this web site or immediately text their friends and CAF and MAF units to find out whats up, and whats up is the CAF dudes are complaining loudly, not sure about the MAF.

My point about flying hours is the new heavy pups getting hours that are not PIC don't necessarily help them get airline jobs, I'm sure it doesn't hurt though.  You did clarify upgrades and PIC time, in heavies, to me.  The fighter guys have gotten a .3 or .2 per sortie addition to their hours on airlineapps, that can push a dude over the hump early I would think.

2 hours ago, Duck said:

I'm trying to figure out why the kids don't want to be AD fighter pilots as much as they used to when I went through. I don't think you can discount that there is 0% 11F influence in Phase II while the students are at their most impressionable part in their aviation career.

What do you think?

In the immortal words of Snooze, "being a fighter pilot won't get you pu$$y no more."

And also Top Gun is really old.  The kids these days were born in the late 90's.  They don't even understand the SNL reference...

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