The BAF Vice Chief of Staff is a huge proponent of UPT. A few yrs ago, I escorted him and his staff out to Randolph, Laughlin, and Little Rock to see first hand how we train. He was a big fan before, but even more so after the trip. And the bulk of their helos fall under the AF.

ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains?  AKA fixed wing then Rucker?

ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains?  AKA fixed wing then Rucker?

Good question and I don't have an answer for it. My guess is that it comes down to money. They didn't get many UPT slots-I believe that may be 3rd one I have heard of. I've been out of that game for a little bit now, so things may have changed as well.

ok, so then why don't they train their helo pilots like the USAF trains?  AKA fixed wing then Rucker?

The only reason the AF started making their rotor wing pilots in the early 90's go through fixed wing phase 2 was to get higher numbers going through Tweets, to make the case for more T-6's.  I think Hacker or someone discussed this years ago.  It's actually silly to make rotor wing pilots spend the first 5-6 months in T-6's, to then learn a completely different kind of flying for the remaining phase 3.  

Then you agree it's silly for another country to send their helo pilots through a year of fixed wing first.

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I thought it was more odd that the 38s only had 1 US student.

 

 

Seriously.  I'd be pretty pissed if I was gunning for a T-38 spot and it was all taken by some foreigners. 

Seriously.  I'd be pretty pissed if I was gunning for a T-38 spot and it was all taken by some foreigners. 

Pretty sure it doesn't work the way you think it works...

Then you agree it's silly for another country to send their helo pilots through a year of fixed wing first.

 

 

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Of course, but it's their slot (and I'm pretty sure their money), so they can send whoever they want.  

The Bulgarian student who got MI-17s is an Aviation Leadership Program student. The USAF asks and pays for countries to send students for pilot training. The ALP students go through an extended T-6 phase, but no advanced phase. It wasn't a waste for Bulgaria because it cost nothing to get a USAF trained product.

See further:

https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a3_5/publication/afi16-108/afi16-108.pdf

Edited August 30, 201510 yr by LookieRookie

thanks for the clarification!

The only reason the AF started making their rotor wing pilots in the early 90's go through fixed wing phase 2 was to get higher numbers going through Tweets, to make the case for more T-6's.  I think Hacker or someone discussed this years ago.  It's actually silly to make rotor wing pilots spend the first 5-6 months in T-6's, to then learn a completely different kind of flying for the remaining phase 3.  

I have to agree. The saving grace is those dudes who develop the desire to live the helo low life during phase 2, and I speak from experience. A corrective action would be to add additional low level sorties to the phase 2 syllabus, 2 is not enough. It is appropriate considering the amount of airframes that fly low operationally. 

ENJJPT 15-08 Drop:

U.S. Active Duty Only

F-16 x 3

F-15E

T-38A x 2

C-130 (student requested)

B-52

A-10

T-6 FAIP

Solid drop for sure.

where are the 38s headed?  Langley or Tyndall?

One to each, IIRC

What is the follow on for AT-38s? Also does anyone know what class is supposed to be dropping around the end of October at the other bases? I've heard a rumor that with the whole T-6 grounding shenanigans that occurred that the other bases washed back the classes that were suppose to drop in October except for Vance. Thanks for the help.

16-01 should drop around 9 Oct and then 16-02 drops around 30 Oct...I think it's 16-02 or 16-03 that's the ghost class

ETA: I was thinking grad dates originally, updated with drop dates

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15-15 CBM

T38

Saudi 

A10 Davis Monthan AFB

F15E Seymour Johnson AFB

T6 FAIP CBM

 

T1

KC135 Meridian MS ANG

KC135 Seymour Johnson NC ANG

KC135 Eielson AK ANG x 2

KC135 March AFB AFRC

KC135 MD ANG

KC135 RAF Mildenhall

KC135 Fairchild AFB

E8 Robbins AFB

C17 Travis AFB

RC135 Offutt AFB

C130J Ramstein 

T1 FAIP CBM

T6 FAIP CBM

MQ9 Cannon AFB x 2

AC130W Cannon AFB

Edited September 18, 201510 yr by hispeed7721

Almost 20% of the AD guys from T-1s are getting the MQ-9. (Assuming the last few drop reports here have been accurate). For those of you dreamers reading this post... Choose wisely.

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I think two per class was the stated plan

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I think two per class was the stated plan

Two per class for one year. Correct?

Edited September 18, 201510 yr by A man for all seasons

That's what I heard

Thanks. It will be interesting to see if the AF actually sticks with that plan or extends it.

Do you know whether any of these RPA people are getting written guarantees to return after X number of years?

No one was ever given written guarantees. Big Blue just actually kept their promise with the last rounds of UPT-D.

Do you know whether any of these RPA people are getting written guarantees to return after X number of years?

2 RPA's per class per base

They've been told one tour on RPA's and then they get to return to a manned aircraft.

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2 RPA's per class per base

 

They've been told one tour on RPA's and then they get to return to a manned aircraft.

 

 

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Suposidly the CSAF signed a memo guaranteeing us a manned aircraft after this assignment. We were suppose to have said memo in hand with all the details in it "later this week". It's been 2 months.  No one has any idea about the details of this assignment, 3 years? 4 years etc. MPF has no idea (more than usual) how our training and orders should be written, TDY, PCS TDY en route, PCS then TDY, I leave for the B course in a few weeks. I'll happily take my assignment and move on, UPT was a awesome expierence, and knowing the outcome I would do it all over. I however will not believe they will sending us back to manned aircraft until I'm strapped in an actual cockpit. 

That's a good and realistic attitude.  Good luck getting back to a cockpit.