Promotion and PRF Information

[C-21.Pilot]

meaningful, progressive stratifications are also considered.

[noumenon]

Maybe Gen Welsh is righting this ship? Top five things for the board this year according to our Wg/CC.

1) Flt CC

2) IP time

3) Combat experience

4) AAD

5) PME

Yes, yes...and then after the Wing all call/CGO development brief the Wing Commander could be barely contain himself...he drew a deep excited breath in as he looked around at his Squadron Commanders, smirked at the Group CC, high fived his execs, chest bumped the Vice, shrugged and said, "APRIL FOOLS!!"

At first they laughed uncomfortably, and then the laughter grew and then...hush...they all gave each other that look that reads, "ohhh yea, I feel F'in SHARP in these ABUs today!"

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Of course I'm only kidding and do hope Gen Welsh is moving in this direction, but reading into what the Wing CC/bossman said, there could be a simple yes or no answer to these things...combat experience (yes or no)...IP time...(yes or no). More true is, Wing Executive Combat Experience SouthWasian Vacation or IP time earned while flying with a General (and another proficient IP to do all that pilot stuff). The other stuff...no change from previous boards.

I'd say your Wing Executive Pilot Officer's number one push from the Wing CC still outweighs IP time. His/her previous two executive jobs prior to getting close to the wing commander were where he or she earned was given strats based on nothing deploying tough deployments/mission execution but being willing to work in an environment where the weapon system is never discussed and making crap solid edits to you and your buddies OPRs only advances his/her PRF further. Strats...#1 strats, generally go to the Execs...and these mean a lot to a board member...often less more than being a Leader/Pilot and taking care of people as a Flight Commander. It's as easy as this...the current organizational mindset is that at some point in your life you've got to ask yourself a question and then give a retire as a flying lt col/major/MSgt career answer. The Question: Are you an Officer or a Pilot?

And for me, that's what's wrong with the Air Force--for me, that question is based on an organizational paradigm bred by folks who have worked in the halls of a five sided building for the last ten years hoping for a combat staff deployment to enhance their combat resume. Well, shoe clerks...I have news for you, we recognize that WE are the solution. We've learned to say NO, that question sucks...I'm a leader.

The warrior mindset that the air force needs going forward has already been born. The scream of the twin towers crash were our mother's birthpains. We spent the last ten years of our Laconic youth surfing on an ocean of fuel over Baghdad Babylon and Alexandria Kandahar--a storm of steel riding in from the west on a tidal wave of fuel. We've called down lightning from the mouth's of eagles, and taken parts of men to Europe to be raised like Lazarus. These and other lessons--like the look of children who won't forget the loss of their father or forget their father's time away from home--have taught enough of us that before any containers get checked we need to go to the bathroom, puke up the koolaid, look ourselves in the mirror and realize you aren't an officer or a pilot, you're YOU and by God if you aren't a LEADER it's time to find another J.O.B. to do. We are leaders first--in or out of the flight suit; in or out of the cockpit; not caring who gets the credit for mission results and pushing forward because we won't fail the dude/chick on our wing...we've learned that LEADERSHIP...in the primal, substitution/sacrifice, servant, fall on a grenade to save your men sense of the word is who we are. And no matter how many different schemes the shoe clerks come up with or how many stones the pentagonal freemasons build into our career pyramids, the collective memory of a generation will be carried forward--much the same way it was for Leonidas Gen Welsh, so if he can do anything to turn the tide, all the better. But I know, much as he does, that the best is yet to come...just hold the gap, the immortal politicians are making a run at us now.

You want to get promoted be a leader: be so good at your primary, secondary and additional job (whatever you do) that dudes under you and above you ask you the hard questions and verify information with you, only do things you WANT to do and then be extremely good at them, be such a good person to everyone you come in contact with that they want to be around you again because they know how good of an influence you are on them, most importantly SERVE others. After you get those fundamentals down, then go about the business of asking yourself the hard questions...do I care enough about the future of my country to put aside my hatred of what I am about to do in order to remain relevant in this climate. And yes, though it hurts me to say it...that might mean being an exec or doing a masters degree...do something to be given a DP. Finally, don't ever think you've earned it or are better than your bros...luck and timing make up about 69% of everything related to promotion.

/rant

Edited April 2, 2013 by noumenon

[Ram]

The Question: Are you an Officer or a Pilot?

We've learned to say "NO, that question sucks...I'm a leader."

You want to get promoted be a leader: be so good at your primary, secondary and additional job (whatever you do) that dudes under you and above you ask you the hard questions and verify information with you, only do things you WANT to do and then be extremely good at them, be such a good person to everyone you come in contact with that they want to be around you again because they know how good of an influence you are on them, most importantly SERVE others. After you get those fundamentals down, then go about the business of asking yourself the hard questions...do I care enough about the future of my country to put aside my hatred of what I am about to do in order to remain relevant in this climate. And yes, though it hurts me to say it...that might mean being an exec or doing a masters degree...do something to be given a DP. Finally, don't ever think you've earned it or are better than your bros...luck and timing make up about 69% of everything related to promotion.

/rant

Holy.

Fucking.

Shit.

Post of the year.

Thank you for writing this.

[PirateAF]

Amazing Rant...

Well said.

[zrooster99]

Curious (Got a bro that was passed over)... Any thoughts on when the APZ is going to be for '04s if the '05 board is pushed back?

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Curious (Got a bro that was passed over)... Any thoughts on when the APZ is going to be for '04s if the '05 board is pushed back?

Should be at the same time as the '05 guys board. If I understand the process correctly the APZ guys roll into competition with the next younger peer group versus having an APZ board of their own. If you are talking about the supplemental board for identifying any potential mistakes on the board he was passed over on that should be later this year.

[Whitman]

How does he know? Was your Wg/CC on the promotion board? Or did the senior leaders get some kind of out brief from the board that gave them the cliff notes of how the board operated?

He's a reliable source. The board members cannot talk about specific details of the board but they are allowed to pass lessons learned and takeaways.

[Everybody Knows]

I just heard that LAF Captain promotion boards are going away effective immediately (the upcoming July board will be canx). It looks like we're back to 100% of fully qualified selection opportunities and away from all that crazy Lt PRF BS.

[TheFranchise]

I just heard that LAF Captain promotion boards are going away effective immediately (the upcoming July board will be canx). It looks like we're back to 100% of fully qualified selection opportunities and away from all that crazy Lt PRF BS.

Sanity prevails! Unit CCs will have the ability to dish out non-selects.

[Champ Kind]

I just heard that LAF Captain promotion boards are going away effective immediately (the upcoming July board will be canx). It looks like we're back to 100% of fully qualified selection opportunities and away from all that crazy Lt PRF BS.

Not a rumor--confirmed.

[OregonHerc]

What about the dudes who got passed over? Will they pin on at 2 years from 1Lt date of rank like normal?

[Chida]

There's still a promotion board (or administrative process which "boards" records), just no PRF required. Those passed over once will meet the next central selection board, whenever that is.

[MountainHerc]

So essentially were being pushed back one year group or after the board would we retroactively pin to our 4 year DOR?

[Chida]

Anyone passed over on the first board is still passed over and will meet the next CSB, whenever that is. You won't get a retroactive promotion outside of Congress intervening or an AFBCMR ruling which allows you to meet a special selection board. To get an AFBCMR ruling you (as an individual) would need to apply and show that you were a victim of an injustice, presenting evidence that the first CSB should have seen but did not, such as a missing OPR or decoration. If the AFBCMR agrees with your position they will give direct that you meet an SSB and if that SSB promotes you it would be retroactive.

[Everybody Knows]

There's still a promotion board (or administrative process which "boards" records), just no PRF required. Those passed over once will meet the next central selection board, whenever that is.

SUBJECT: Elimination of Captain Line of the Air Force (LAF) Central

Selection Boards (CSBs)

1. SAF/OS has approved a change to the current promotion procedure for the

Capt LAF Central Selection Board. The Air Force will no longer have a

central selection board for Captains and return to the promotion process

using a "fully qualified" 100% promotion opportunity. This is effective

immediately and the CY13 Capt LAF CSB currently scheduled for 15-26 July

2013 will not convene. All those eligible for promotion in CY13 will be

considered for promotion in June 2013 by simply using the same process

currently used for the quarterly non-line captain process, outlined in PSDM

12-83. Starting in CY 2014, those eligible for promotion will be considered

on a quarterly basis using this same process (as was done from 2003-2010).

Specific instructions will flow from APFC to local MPSs in AFPROMS.

2. POC is AFPC/DPSOO at AFPC.DPPPO2@US.AF.MIL

[Chida]

SUBJECT: Elimination of Captain Line of the Air Force (LAF) Central

Selection Boards (CSBs)

1. SAF/OS has approved a change to the current promotion procedure for the

Capt LAF Central Selection Board. The Air Force will no longer have a

central selection board for Captains and return to the promotion process

using a "fully qualified" 100% promotion opportunity. This is effective

immediately and the CY13 Capt LAF CSB currently scheduled for 15-26 July

2013 will not convene. All those eligible for promotion in CY13 will be

considered for promotion in June 2013 by simply using the same process

currently used for the quarterly non-line captain process, outlined in PSDM

12-83. Starting in CY 2014, those eligible for promotion will be considered

on a quarterly basis using this same process (as was done from 2003-2010).

Specific instructions will flow from APFC to local MPSs in AFPROMS.

2. POC is AFPC/DPSOO at AFPC.DPPPO2@US.AF.MIL

Right, which is the administrative process in lieu of a formal board.

[Everybody Knows]

Right, which is the administrative process in lieu of a formal board.

I've never heard anyone say there would not be a "process". I simply posted that to correct your assertion that there would be ongoing CSBs.

[17D_guy]

SUBJECT: Elimination of Captain Line of the Air Force (LAF) Central

Selection Boards (CSBs)

1. SAF/OS has approved a change to the current promotion procedure for the

Capt LAF Central Selection Board. The Air Force will no longer have a

central selection board for Captains and return to the promotion process

using a "fully qualified" 100% promotion opportunity. This is effective

immediately and the CY13 Capt LAF CSB currently scheduled for 15-26 July

2013 will not convene. All those eligible for promotion in CY13 will be

considered for promotion in June 2013 by simply using the same process

currently used for the quarterly non-line captain process, outlined in PSDM

12-83. Starting in CY 2014, those eligible for promotion will be considered

on a quarterly basis using this same process (as was done from 2003-2010).

Specific instructions will flow from APFC to local MPSs in AFPROMS.

2. POC is AFPC/DPSOO at AFPC.DPPPO2@US.AF.MIL

So Does Welch Gen Mark A. Welsh III get credit for this or are we going to shit all over him still for not doing anything good?

Also... the board process for O3 was so much fun. If it was good enough for me, it's good enough for the up-and-comers - just like AAD as a Lt, and SOS-in-res.

EDIT: For grapejuice

Edited May 4, 2013 by 17D_guy

[Techsan]

Smart move...a PRF & promotion board for LTs was complete BS. I'll give Welsh credit.

[stract]

So Does Welch get credit for this or are we going to shit all over him still for not doing anything good?

Who is Welch? A grape juice maker? It's probably important to know the CSAF's name, and Welch ain't it.

[Cell Dweller]

Maybe he was having a blast from the past?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_D._Welch

[USAF Pilot]

Couldn't this announcement have come out a week ago? O-well, I had too much free time in my life I guess...

[17D_guy]

Maybe he was having a blast from the past?

http://en.wikipedia..../Larry_D._Welch

Damnit... actually had his (Welch) son as a Sq CC in Germany, so I gets all confused.

[Skyryder]

Curious - what happens to those that were passed over for Captain in FY12...Yes, that's right, passed over as a pilot for CAPTAIN. No problems with the law, DUIs, or negative paper work. I would normally be pinning on in September 2013, but since I was passed over I was waiting on this years board. There was a group of us who had blank PRFs submitted to the board last year (while deployed). Are we still pretty much SOL? Or will I receive an apology and a promotion, and pin on in Sept '13? Haha, yeah.....sure....

Edited May 4, 2013 by Skyryder

[17D_guy]

Curious - what happens to those that were passed over for Captain in FY12...Yes, that's right, passed over as a pilot for CAPTAIN. No problems with the law, DUIs, or negative paper work. I would normally be pinning on in September 2013, but since I was passed over I was waiting on this years board. There was a group of us who had blank PRFs submitted to the board last year (while deployed). Are we still pretty much SOL? Or will I receive an apology and a promotion, and pin on in Sept '13? Haha, yeah.....sure....

How does that even happen...