Jughead Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Wg/CC stratted me top 5 percent. MLR deemed me bottom 40 percent. 2 of us from the Wing met the board. This may be your trouble--whatever metric the Wing King used for "top 5%," you were really either #1 / 2 or #2 / 2 to the board. Shitty system, I agree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanePhlyer Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Major's board is complete. I'm aware the list has to be approved by the man, but any ideas when the results will be released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKinnear Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Major's board is complete. I'm aware the list has to be approved by the man, but any ideas when the results will be released? Go myPers and search "promotions". Somewhere in there will be a link for board status as it hits the review milestones. 3ish months generally. Any date given is just a shifting target. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 So probably December is what we are looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guineapigfury Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Go myPers and search "promotions". Somewhere in there will be a link for board status as it hits the review milestones. 3ish months generally. Any date given is just a shifting target. Good luck!"Mid December" according to MyPers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GearMonkey Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Anyone have experience declining promotion or writing to a board to request non-selection? I'm approaching the end of my active duty career and am trying to set myself up to get hired by ANG or AFRC. Unfortunately, I am late-to-rate and stationed overseas so my O-5 IPZ board meets before either my UPT ADSC or DEROS expire. I've heard that it is tough to get hired by ANG or AFRC as an O-5 so I'm looking at mitigation options.I just read (CTRL+F'd) AFI36-2501 and declining seems to be fairly simple and doesn't appear to have any direct negative repercussions. If this is true it seems to be a decent option for me but the tiny bit of Blue Kool-Aid left in my blood is making me feel like this could cheat someone who wants to stick around out of selection.Experience, thoughts, ideas, spears? Edited November 29, 2015 by GearMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 You seem to have the info you need. A letter to the board asking to not be promoted will, more likely than not, give you the result you want. It will make you ineligible for separation pay in almost all cases...see the AFI. A promotion and pinning on does not carry an ADSC. But may have kept someone else off the list.BL: do what you feel comfortable with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnapLock Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 "Mid December" according to MyPers.Now showing "Mid January". Is it normal for the target to shift that much? But, hey, at least everyone didn't already have to wait a year longer than normal already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Now showing "Mid January". Is it normal for the target to shift that much? But, hey, at least everyone didn't already have to wait a year longer than normal already.Yes, my last board results shifted 2.5 months. It is very common, especially when the results span a substantial holiday period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Anyone have experience declining promotion or writing to a board to request non-selection? I'm approaching the end of my active duty career and am trying to set myself up to get hired by ANG or AFRC. Unfortunately, I am late-to-rate and stationed overseas so my O-5 IPZ board meets before either my UPT ADSC or DEROS expire. I've heard that it is tough to get hired by ANG or AFRC as an O-5 so I'm looking at mitigation options.I just read (CTRL+F'd) AFI36-2501 and declining seems to be fairly simple and doesn't appear to have any direct negative repercussions. If this is true it seems to be a decent option for me but the tiny bit of Blue Kool-Aid left in my blood is making me feel like this could cheat someone who wants to stick around out of selection.Experience, thoughts, ideas, spears?And finally, to the poster who asked about writing a do not promote me letter in some thread: my panel had several, some we honored, some we ignored...the ones with true humanitarian reasons were honored. The others were seen as "I quit!" whining, and if the record otherwise merited it, those folks got put on the promotion list. In this way, as we were instructed by Secaf, the Best Qualified got promoted...not just the best qualified of those that wanted it. Finally, senior raters were sometimes ignored: DPs didn't make the cut, etcIf you're planning to write a letter, tell your commander before your PRF is written.Don't know your circumstances, but turning down lt col is a tough call...hope it works out for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanePhlyer Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Now showing "Mid January". Is it normal for the target to shift that much? But, hey, at least everyone didn't already have to wait a year longer than normal already.Confirmed, what a bummer. Was hoping for a nice Christmas present. Should have known the AF would do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 "I quit!""Promote that man!"I know that isn't what you said, but I laughed anyway. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HU&W Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Now showing "Mid January". Is it normal for the target to shift that much? But, hey, at least everyone didn't already have to wait a year longer than normal already.Funny how this year's board met almost four months earlier than last years, but the results will only be a month earlier. Based on increments for the current group, there will be some in the next with a very short wait for pin-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I know that isn't what you said, but I laughed anyway. :)Lol...you're not far off!!! Lots of opinions. Lots of discussion for each and every split and unusual situation (DPs undergoing discipline, DNPs 5APZ with fantastic records and awards/decs and real leadership in the record, solid records with great combat experiences but mediocre SR strats, etc) . So, yeah, kinda like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 What is "I quit" whining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 What is "I quit" whining?Any "don't promote me" letter that didn't cite humanitarian reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Any "don't promote me" letter that didn't cite humanitarian reasons. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homestar Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I guess i don't understand the logic behind a do-not-promote letter. there is no ADSC with the promotion, so take it and go to the Guard, or get out when you want anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I guess i don't understand the logic behind a do-not-promote letter. there is no ADSC with the promotion, so take it and go to the Guard, or get out when you want anyway.the idea is that getting passed over for promotion will allow one to separate from AD earlier than their current ADSC, and that getting hired by ARC units is easier as an O-3 than an O-4, O-4 than O-5, etc... where you'll just get promoted anyway without as much of the silly AD games. That, and getting a seniority number sooner rather than later can be huge for those so inclined.Either way, it's indicative of how toxic AD AF is that pilots would consider writing a do-not-promote letter. I wonder how much that happens at healthy organizations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learjetter Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.True. But at the time, my opinion was the one that mattered...Does the board look at fitness test records independently from the OPR? Could a person schedule a fitness test and fail it prior to meeting the board?Being a Capt/Major would make it easier to get hired by the Guard. You'd just meet the next ROPMA and make O-4/O-5.The board didn't see any fit test scores themselves...but we saw OPRs. But the ramifications of a failure after OPR closeout (lor, etc) could probably be referenced on the PRF if the SR wanted to.Look, if folks are trying to get out prior to their ADSC by "failing to get promoted x2" there are many ways...but none of them reflect well on you to any audience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I always found that argument insulting and condescending. I've heard it enough that it's clear that it's taught at some version of O-5 charm school. Edited December 4, 2015 by Jaded 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herk Driver Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I always found that argument insulting and condescending. I've heard it enough that it's clear that it's taught at some version of O-5 charm school.Which argument is that? Are you referring to the none of them reflect well on you argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Hungus Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Look, if folks are trying to get out prior to their ADSC by "failing to get promoted x2" there are many ways...but none of them reflect well on you to any audience. I know several folks with families, jobs (ARC, airlines, and/or non-flying civilian organizations), and/or real graduate schools who would laugh at you for making that statement. I guess that's not the audience you were thinking of. Not surprised that someone on a promotion board would think like you, though. Speaks volumes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chida Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 This line of thinking is one the effects of being in the regular AF too long. There is life after and apart from BIG BLUE!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnapLock Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 And finally, to the poster who asked about writing a do not promote me letter in some thread: my panel had several, some we honored, some we ignored...the ones with true humanitarian reasons were honored. The others were seen as "I quit!" whining, and if the record otherwise merited it, those folks got put on the promotion list. In this way, as we were instructed by Secaf, the Best Qualified got promoted...not just the best qualified of those that wanted it. Finally, senior raters were sometimes ignored: DPs didn't make the cut, etcPlease state reason? I find this potentially concerning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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