fire4effect Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 21 hours ago, magnetfreezer said: Maybe... and many pilots would be happy to go obliterate targets. This scenario relies on Mattis that he won't say "Mr. President we don't have enough pilots to be slide monkeys at CJTF-HQ" instead. Agree. It falls under the heading of "serious misallocation of valuable military resources" Break And if the DOD wants to REALLY get a recalcitrant (my ACT word for the day) pilot's attention they set up a process where they can get the FAA to suspend the Airman Certificate of anyone who faces a FEB or UCMJ action. Not sure if it would need a separate Congressional Action to make it happen though it would be hard to say if a Republican Congress would actually go along with it anyway. As everyone who holds a certificate knows it's considered a "privilege" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 And if the DOD wants to REALLY get a recalcitrant (my ACT word for the day) pilot's attention they set up a process where they can get the FAA to suspend the Airman Certificate of anyone who faces a FEB or UCMJ action. Not sure if it would need a separate Congressional Action to make it happen though it would be hard to say if a Republican Congress would actually go along with it anyway. As everyone who holds a certificate knows it's considered a "privilege" Ridiculous on many levels Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, sqwatch said: Ridiculous on many levels Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Very much so but given what has happened in this country over the last several months not much would surprise me. Trump has just threatened Boeing with canceling the new Air Force One over cost. Can he? Good question. But as a very shrewd businessman he has absolutely no compunction with playing hardball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 56 minutes ago, fire4effect said: And if the DOD wants to REALLY get a recalcitrant (my ACT word for the day) F-Me, I got an average of 32 on the ACT and I didn't know that word. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwatch Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Very much so but given what has happened in this country over the last several months not much would surprise me. Trump has just threatened Boeing with canceling the new Air Force One over cost. Can he? Good question. But as a very shrewd businessman he has absolutely no compunction with playing hardball.Compunction-another one of those 5 dollar words. Fortunately, there are lots of lobbyists and congressmen (not to mention well paid Boeing employees) that will work within the law to keep that gravy train rolling. My take on this whole election- unless you're celebrating Mattis as secdef, a republican lock on SCOTUS for a generation, an AG who will crack down on hippies who stop traffic or liberal anxiety in general, the rest will be more of the same. I won't be able to buy a machine gun, Mexicans and Muslims will be just fine, Boeing will build a new AF1 and the protection of title 10 orders will remain.Everybody calm the fvck down.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 "In keeping with the Air Force's current practice of offering pilots anywhere from $10,000 to $25,000 for every year they extend their contracts, not every pilot will get the maximum possible bonus proposed in the defense authorization bill. In the joint explanatory statement accompanying the bill, lawmakers said that Goldfein told them the bonus will be tailored by platform, based on the Air Force's requirements". https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/ndaa-aviator-retention-pay The discussion of heavy drivers receiving a $48k to $60k a year bonus is dead. I believe $35k is unlikely based on the above statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I agree that a most things will stay the same. Lots of things are said in a campaign that have no chance of happening precisely because we do have robust checks and balances in the government. No mass deportations and I'm not a contracting officer so I can't say what is or isn't allowed in the AF1 case etc. But I still see some traditional boundaries tested by a very non traditional president. But point taken so now a little juvenile humor instead of big words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The discussion of heavy drivers receiving a $48k to $60k a year bonus is dead. I believe $35k is unlikely based on the above statement. How many mobility guys are going to accept 25k/yr if the 11U/18Us are pulling down 35k and there's no guarantee AFPC won't reassign you to droids? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nunya Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said: How many mobility guys are going to accept 25k/yr if the 11U/18Us are pulling down 35k and there's no guarantee AFPC won't reassign you to droids? DoD simply can't keep up. A couple airlines just approved raises bigger than the debated ACP bonuses. Without having to sign a contract. The only hope for AF pilot retention is another recession. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1313 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, sqwatch said: My take on this whole election- unless you're celebrating Mattis as secdef, a republican lock on SCOTUS for a generation, an AG who will crack down on hippies who stop traffic or liberal anxiety in general, the rest will be more of the same. Honestly, that might be enough to keep a grin on my face for the next 8 years. As for the rest of you nerds, I'm not impressed by your sesquipedalian prose. Edited December 7, 2016 by tk1313 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcola Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 As a $25k bonus taker (I had my reasons) I'll be the first to predict that a targeted $35k bonus will cause rates to drop across the board. It won't be enough to keep those that are targeted, and it'll further alienate those deemed not worthy of the raise. I can't believe that they still don't get it. ALL pilot retention is in crisis mode, not just the ones highlighted by the manning spreadsheets. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 2 hours ago, tk1313 said: sesquipedalian prose. Another one I have to look up, quit! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldtanker Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 sesquipedalian prose? WTF does that mean. That's why I'm not worthy of a bigger bonus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I still think the theory that makes the most sense is that the updated bonus was designed to make stop loss more palatable to Congress. It allows the Air Force to say, "See, we tried to give them more money! There's no other option except for stop loss!" There's no way that anyone actually believes that even $50k/yr solves the retention problem, but it would give leadership an "out" in 2018 (the same year that RAND predicted a stop loss). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire4effect Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 6 hours ago, tk1313 said: Honestly, that might be enough to keep a grin on my face for the next 8 years. As for the rest of you nerds, I'm not impressed by your sesquipedalian prose. Well played 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Oldtanker said: sesquipedalian prose? WTF does that mean. That's why I'm not worthy of a bigger bonus. Exactly my thoughts, I didn't think I was dumb, EE degree, fighter pilot, LtCol, and words I've never heard, and now I'm ignit Edited December 8, 2016 by matmacwc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 9 hours ago, matmacwc said: I didn't think I was dumb, EE degree, fighter pilot, LtCol, and words I've never heard, and now I'm ignit That's like saying YOU don't think you're a chick because you have two arms, two legs and a butthole. No correlation - you're still a chick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 35 minutes ago, ViperStud said: That's like saying YOU don't think you're a chick because you have two arms, two legs and a butthole. No correlation - you're still a chick. Are you trying to say he/she is callipygian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViperStud Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, ClearedHot said: Are you trying to say he/she is callipygian? Nah, not really. I've known matmac for a decade or so; he's more of a gynandromorph. I think the WC is for Woman Clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClearedHot Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 7 minutes ago, ViperStud said: Nah, not really. I've known matmac for a decade or so; You are gasconading about that fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk1313 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Jeez, guys... Get the ruler out and measure already. The words of course, not the other thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I hate you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hispeed7721 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Realize the fundamental error of regarding such functional notions with hatred is not quite equivalent to an important distinction in vocabulary use. A consequence of the approach you seem to be taking is that any associated supporting elements for your distaste are likely different from any abstract underlying order. In the discussion of presumptive confabulations, an important property of such with respect to the ultimate standard is the the accuracy of any proposed grammar. Comparing the earlier examples with their parasitic gap counterparts, we see that the speaker-hearer's linguistic intuition suffices to account for the strong generative capacity of your emotion. Note that the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction is, apparently, determined by nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory.I think this might be my favorite post of this forum, next to the NSFW picture thread from the Squadron Bar of courseSent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 This is what you sound like to me. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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