Reasons to despise cops

[FourFans]

8 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

That vid has been around for awhile.  If you're rooting for the biker, he should have taken the Maumelle exit at around 5:00 into the vid.  If you're rooting for the trooper, the force to the grass actually worked.  I'd have to see a few more tries to make a judgement call on that technique.  As for after the stop, well....

I'm rooting for all the soccer moms who drive that highway daily.  The fact that dude said he was brand new on that bike makes him all the more idiotic.

[fire4effect]

11 hours ago, FourFans said:

I'm rooting for all the soccer moms who drive that highway daily.  The fact that dude said he was brand new on that bike makes him all the more idiotic.

Definitely Little Rock area. 

ASP and Arkansas LE in general has some real gems and have for many years.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjEhKTnlMCOAxX04ckDHboYPR4QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kark.com%2Fnews%2Fworking4you%2Farkansas-state-police-settle-pit-maneuver-lawsuit-which-injured-pregnant-woman%2F&usg=AOvVaw2WALwAbj99a9jKiqfbIYE4&opi=89978449

 

Arkansas trooper retires after PIT maneuver on wrong car | thv11.com

 

Most agencies don't want to fund air units because of the cost but if you ask me to avoid one multi-million-dollar lawsuit its paid for itself. Not to mention realizing you're never going to outrun an aircraft you have a substantial deterrent effect.

 

[arg]

51 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

 

Arkansas trooper retires after PIT maneuver on wrong car | thv11.com

 

 

 

Wonder who he works for now.

51 minutes ago, fire4effect said:

 

 

Most agencies don't want to fund air units because of the cost but if you ask me to avoid one multi-million-dollar lawsuit its paid for itself. Not to mention realizing you're never going to outrun an aircraft you have a substantial deterrent effect.

 

Drones, they got some pretty high speed ones nowadays.

 

[ClearedHot]

Cop distracted or on his phone while sitting at traffic light.  When traffic light turns green cops doesn't move...after a while the car behind him honks his horn. Cops gets extremely butt hurt, circles the block and follows the guy home where he then ARRESTS him for unlawful horn use. 

All charges dropped by prosecutor, lawsuit filed, cop still on duty.  Just sickening.
 

 

[Sua Sponte]

While the citizens of Troy get to pay more property taxes to cover the eventual settlement the city will pay to dismiss his now federal lawsuit. I wouldn’t be surprised if the cop didn’t live in the county he worked, thus not having his taxes go up. 

[bfargin]

One of those other cops called for “backup” should have immediately called him out for this level of dumbassery.

He needs to find a job with no authority over anyone or anything. He acted like a small child pissed off that mommy took his toy truck from him for nap time.

[fire4effect]

On 7/15/2025 at 9:10 PM, arg said:

Wonder who he works for now.

Drones, they got some pretty high speed ones nowadays.

 

In 10 years, I could see something like this cruising the freeways. I believe this was supposed to replace the Shadow UAV but I heard it was canceled. VTOL so no launcher/runway required. With AI it could look for the most egregious offenders doing 90-100 MPH plus and track them back to the nest followed by a knock on the door by local LE

Edited Wednesday at 11:12 PM by fire4effect
more footage

[brabus]

I think cameras should just be installed on public roads and if a vehicle is recorded illegally/dangerously passing, speeding more than X over, etc. the registered owner gets a $1000 fine in the mail (or whatever amount with graduated cost vs. incident numbers). Copy camera can’t prove the owner was driving, but doesn’t matter because it’s their vehicle and they control who drives it. No need for cops wasting time at speed traps, expensive UAS, etc. 

Also to be clear, big proponent of privacy and limited gov, but there is no right to privacy in public spaces. And I have zero tolerance for self-absorbed asshole drivers. 

[Lord Ratner]

14 hours ago, brabus said:

I think cameras should just be installed on public roads and if a vehicle is recorded illegally/dangerously passing, speeding more than X over, etc. the registered owner gets a $1000 fine in the mail (or whatever amount with graduated cost vs. incident numbers). Copy camera can’t prove the owner was driving, but doesn’t matter because it’s their vehicle and they control who drives it. No need for cops wasting time at speed traps, expensive UAS, etc. 

Also to be clear, big proponent of privacy and limited gov, but there is no right to privacy in public spaces. And I have zero tolerance for self-absorbed asshole drivers. 

I guess I mostly agree. I really wish they would bring red light cameras back. Maybe one of the best pieces of public safety on the roads, but of course governments wanted to do it cheap, so instead of buying the technology or even leasing it, they get it for "free" by giving the operator of the technology a cut of the tickets, thus creating a negative incentive, and inevitably resulting in the yellow light duration being lowered. Which is absolute bullshit.

 

I forget where it was but when the local legislative body increased the yellow light times back to where they were, it was immediately no longer economically feasible for the company, and away went the cameras. 

 

Install the cameras, increase the duration of the yellow light by one second, and give be ruthless in enforcement. The cost is made up by fewer accidents. 

 

Get a bonus feature where DHS gets brought into the loop for traffic violations and you'd see Texas jump from the worst to the best state to drive in overnight 🤣😂

[brabus]

I never knew that background story, wild!

[busdriver]

3 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

I guess I mostly agree. I really wish they would bring red light cameras back.

Agreed.  I also would like to see some sort of AI detection of dick bag drivers.

Speeding cameras should only apply to crazy speeding.  Going the speed limit is for suckers.  Also, those limits are set knowing people will speed by 10mph.

[fire4effect]

Florida is crazy with them.

But set reasonable specs that are codified in state law so municipalities can't play loose with the system.

I believe Floriday did pass a law a couple years ago to reign them in.

[bfargin]

Are you guys high? You trust the government to handle that kind of power over us? I want to completely outlaw any and all spy type equipment (sounds like y’all want the patriot act on steroids)  used to monitor us.

[busdriver]

29 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Are you guys high? 

Probably.  But I can't get away with running down the geriatric driver that's the 5th car to run the red light and slapping them for being a selfish asshole.  So I'm torn.

[Lord Ratner]

44 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Are you guys high? You trust the government to handle that kind of power over us? I want to completely outlaw any and all spy type equipment (sounds like y’all want the patriot act on steroids)  used to monitor us.

You go ahead and try to get it outlawed, and I'll try to get it so that we at least get some sort of benefit out of what's already happening. 

 

There is no putting this genie back in the bottle. But hopefully it can at least be harnessed and controlled. 

 

Plus I'm not sure I'm particularly concerned about the freedom to commit traffic violations, and I don't suspect the founders were either.

[ClearedHot]

21 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Install the cameras, increase the duration of the yellow light by one second, and give be ruthless in enforcement. The cost is made up by fewer accidents. 

Slippery slope...DC went from Red Light cameras to speed cameras...all in the name of safety right...wrong. 

The "rules" say a sworn police officer has to review each picture and swear an affidavit that states the violation is legit and all parameters are met (radar was certified, car in the picture is in the frame, no other cars....etc).  During my last hostage tour int he five sided building my wife and I were going up to Dewey Beach for a long weekend with the family.  We were in two separate cars because I was coming back a day early to go to work.  A couple weeks later a photo speed ticket shows up in the mail with my name and my wife's car in the picture.  I knew exactly where it happened and I was behind her....we were not speeding.  I took a closer look and there was another car in the frame with her in the other lane and it was passing her, but she got the ticket.  I took it to court and won in .69 seconds. 

The court story is actually funny, I spent an entire day building a slide presentation with my radar theory book form Weapons School.  I calculated the beam with and was ready to conduct a master class in court.  Day of court arrives and there are two case in front of me.  Judge calls the first guy and he is there with his wife.  Judge says "Mr Smith you got two tickets in 20 minutes, how do you plead?"  He replies "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"  The dude launches into a story about going to help his handicapped grandchildren.  At first the judge rolls her eyes then she notices something on the ticket, "Mr so and so there appears to be a problem with the affidavit and jurisdiction on these tickets."  The dude keeps blathering on but his wife is standing there with him, she figures it out and elbows him in the side to shut up.  A few seconds later judge says "Yup these are invalid, both tickets are dismissed"

The judge calls the next case and it is this much older woman.   Judge says "Mrs smith and so how do you plead?"  She replies "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"   The lady then replies "well your honor, I didn't have my references."  Everyone is puzzled....Judge says "Ma'am....your references?"  She replies "Yes ma'am, they are doing construction and I didn't have my references to know where the speed camera was"  Everyone laughs, .69 seconds later..."Guilty, $100 fine."

Now I am up Judge says "Mr bag of donuts how do you plead?"  I reply "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"  I said "clearly looking a the picture your honor you can see there are two cars in the radar beam."  I take a breath and start to pull out my slide presentation when the judge says "You are right, case dismissed."  But but your honor, I have a presentation, I want to be more right!

At the end of the day I won the case because I was right, but the lesson here is 3 of the 4 tickets were incorrect and they are putting the onus on the citizen to prove their innocence.  Cameras are a powerful tool but it opens the aperture to so many other questionable things.

[brabus]

@ClearedHot I bet AI solves most of those problems; not perfect, but likely substantially less “false positives.” Your personal example is probably the most obvious one that needs to be solved (multiple vehicles in FOV, only one is breaking the law).

11 hours ago, bfargin said:

You trust the government to handle that kind of power over us?

Do you realize you literally don’t have “full” privacy (not even in your own home) unless you’re in the middle of the woods/ocean without any electronic device around? Cameras/audio everywhere you go in society - there’s no going back. 

I agree with your baseline thought, but be realistic where we are at in history. Road cameras already are everywhere, just make them better and more capable at curbing shitbag drivers (who are massively plentiful).

 

[fire4effect]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Slippery slope...DC went from Red Light cameras to speed cameras...all in the name of safety right...wrong. 

The "rules" say a sworn police officer has to review each picture and swear an affidavit that states the violation is legit and all parameters are met (radar was certified, car in the picture is in the frame, no other cars....etc).  During my last hostage tour int he five sided building my wife and I were going up to Dewey Beach for a long weekend with the family.  We were in two separate cars because I was coming back a day early to go to work.  A couple weeks later a photo speed ticket shows up in the mail with my name and my wife's car in the picture.  I knew exactly where it happened and I was behind her....we were not speeding.  I took a closer look and there was another car in the frame with her in the other lane and it was passing her, but she got the ticket.  I took it to court and won in .69 seconds. 

The court story is actually funny, I spent an entire day building a slide presentation with my radar theory book form Weapons School.  I calculated the beam with and was ready to conduct a master class in court.  Day of court arrives and there are two case in front of me.  Judge calls the first guy and he is there with his wife.  Judge says "Mr Smith you got two tickets in 20 minutes, how do you plead?"  He replies "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"  The dude launches into a story about going to help his handicapped grandchildren.  At first the judge rolls her eyes then she notices something on the ticket, "Mr so and so there appears to be a problem with the affidavit and jurisdiction on these tickets."  The dude keeps blathering on but his wife is standing there with him, she figures it out and elbows him in the side to shut up.  A few seconds later judge says "Yup these are invalid, both tickets are dismissed"

The judge calls the next case and it is this much older woman.   Judge says "Mrs smith and so how do you plead?"  She replies "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"   The lady then replies "well your honor, I didn't have my references."  Everyone is puzzled....Judge says "Ma'am....your references?"  She replies "Yes ma'am, they are doing construction and I didn't have my references to know where the speed camera was"  Everyone laughs, .69 seconds later..."Guilty, $100 fine."

Now I am up Judge says "Mr bag of donuts how do you plead?"  I reply "innocent your honor."  Judge brings the picture up on the big screen and says "what is your defense?"  I said "clearly looking a the picture your honor you can see there are two cars in the radar beam."  I take a breath and start to pull out my slide presentation when the judge says "You are right, case dismissed."  But but your honor, I have a presentation, I want to be more right!

At the end of the day I won the case because I was right, but the lesson here is 3 of the 4 tickets were incorrect and they are putting the onus on the citizen to prove their innocence.  Cameras are a powerful tool but it opens the aperture to so many other questionable things.

Can you send me a copy of that presentation? From one nerd to another that's next level 2LT nerdom and I would love to have a copy in case I need it. Try to keep it CUI if you don't mind.😁

[uhhello]

I'd be fine with cameras if there is no private money involved.  It always goes wrong when it's for profit.  Everywhere its been tried.  The UK has been at it for decades.  Last time I left they had placed average speed cameras on the motorways.  Plate is logged going through checkpoints.  If you make it through in less time than standard, you were speeding at some point.  The mobile units were the most effective at generating revenue though.  They'd pop up and generate a couple hundred tickets in the span of a few hours.  
I just looked and its estimated that the UK has 7,000+ traffic enforcement cameras.  A giant chunk of those aren't operational and they still get people to slow down unless you're aware and gambling that 'this one hasn't flashed in months' so i'll risk it.  

Edited 7 hours ago by uhhello

[ClearedHot]

1 hour ago, fire4effect said:

Can you send me a copy of that presentation? From one nerd to another that's next level 2LT nerdom and I would love to have a copy in case I need it. Try to keep it CUI if you don't mind.😁

I'll have to check the Clearedhot archives...this happened in 2012 so it may be long gone.