Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, Lord Ratner said:

If you establish that you are going to feed someone, then stop feeding them without sufficient time or opportunity to feed themselves, then yes, you are starving them. You can argue whether you should have fed them in the first place, but once you establish a relationship, what you do in that relationship matters. 

 

i would like to thank you for proving my point about post WWII foreign policy being a disaster.

we constantly do what you just described above to "allies". i'm not sure why anyone is surprised we're doing it to ukraine.

and yes, i do argue that we should stop feeding

[FourFans]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

i would like to thank you for proving my point about post WWII foreign policy being a disaster.

we constantly do what you just described above to "allies". i'm not sure why anyone is surprised we're doing it to ukraine.

and yes, i do argue that we should stop feeding

Have you done any international assignments?

Edited April 19, 2024 by FourFans

[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, FourFans said:

Have you done any international assignments?

i never deployed

[Standby]

40 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

i never deployed

Can confirm. As General Chang’s protege, his talents were best utilized on staff and as back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back HOLIDAY party planner of the year for his unit. 

[BashiChuni]

GC was an amazing boss and leader 

[Guest nsplayr]

Y’all keep responding to this dude on all his burners and I’m still wondering why…

[ClearedHot]

8 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Y’all keep responding to this dude on all his burners and I’m still wondering why…

Well....we've responded to you for many years. 🥃

[BashiChuni]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/opinion/jd-vance-ukraine.html

 

excellent article

[ClearedHot]

23 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/opinion/jd-vance-ukraine.html

 

excellent article

Paywall and I will NEVER subscribe to that fishwrap.

[BashiChuni]

hmm strange i was able to see it without a subscription.

BL: the math doesnt add up i.e. we can produce about 5-10% of required ammunition

[ClearedHot]

14 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

hmm strange i was able to see it without a subscription.

BL: the math doesnt add up i.e. we can produce about 5-10% of required ammunition

In short, the Ruskies SUCK at combined arms so they are of course relying on the WWII proven tactic of mass artillery strikes.  The Russians want this to be ground and pound with mass artillery strikes before an assault but weapons like Javelin have blunted those efforts. 

The U.S. is currently producing approximately 28,000 155 mm rounds per month, with a ramp-up plan to produce 70,000-80,000 rounds per month by the end of 2024. 

Perfect video to demonstrate what I was saying above.  Look at the ground, artillery impact craters everywhere yet the Ukrainians using technology and asymmetric tactics are stopping Russian advances and making them pay a horrific toll for simple operations.

 

 

[BashiChuni]

two points:

1. they are not blunting anything

2. they are not stopping russian advances.

 

russia is clearly advancing, capturing territory, and clearly winning this war. and they will win regardless of how much money/ammo we give them.

 

[HeloDude]

[raimius]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

two points:

1. they are not blunting anything

2. they are not stopping russian advances.

 

russia is clearly advancing, capturing territory, and clearly winning this war. and they will win regardless of how much money/ammo we give them.

 

The lines have shifted several times.  You seem to only recognize one direction.

The initial thrust of the invasion stopped, followed by counter-attacks by both sides...doesn't sound like the one-sided war you seem to be describing.

Edited April 21, 2024 by raimius
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[ViperMan]

Technically speaking @BashiChuni is correct on point one. It's not possible to re-blunt something that is already as blunt as it can be. They (Russia) are more than two years into this mess after having had 8 years of pre-combat battlefield shaping operations. Two years! For an operation that would have taken us a long weekend. Russia is most certainly blunt.

[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, raimius said:

The lines have shifted several times.  You seem to only recognize one direction.

The initial thrust of the invasion stopped, followed by counter-attacks by both sides...doesn't sound like the one-sided war you seem to be describing.

what direction is it going in now?

we can all want ukraine to win, that doesn't change the facts on the battlefield. nor the calculus to make a victory happen.

ukraine can only defeat russia with direct NATO intervention.

[Danger41]

Where do you guys look for all this info? Genuinely curious.

[BashiChuni]

20 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

Where do you guys look for all this info? Genuinely curious.

The Duran podcast. Highly recommend

[BashiChuni]

Downvote all you want nsplayer. Facts don’t care about your feelings 

[BashiChuni]

[Guest nsplayr]

We're all better informed by listening to Duran Duran than to reading straight-from-the-source Russian propaganda like The Duran. Agree with helping Ukraine, disagree with doing that, that's all fine; that particular source of "information" is incredibly bad. It's unmitigated BS and propaganda designed to entice Westerners to support pro-Russian policies.

Side note: IDK how some of you guys even watch 2+ hour long video podcasts where it's just 2-4 blurry guys babbling on and S-ing each other's intellectual D-s the whole time. It's literally the most mind-numbing thing I've ever encountered.

Here's a recommendation for what to spend your time with tonight:

 

Edited April 22, 2024 by nsplayr

[BashiChuni]

ah yes the "you don't agree with my view point so you are russian propaganda" view.

very persuasive!

david sacks. known KGB agent.

Edited April 22, 2024 by BashiChuni

[Lawman]

ah yes the "you don't agree with my view point so you are russian propaganda" view.
very persuasive!
david sacks. known KGB agent.

In this case you are quoting a literal Russian Psyop outlet.



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[ClearedHot]

10 hours ago, Danger41 said:

Where do you guys look for all this info? Genuinely curious.

Live updated Frontline Map

Institute for the study of war -  Great site founded by retired General Jack Keene - They have a VERY good interactive map as well.

BBC has a good site as well (they leverage the Institute for War's maps with their own reporting and analysis).

A bit gruesome at times but Reddit/combat hosts new videos of the conflict everyday.  Three themes emerged in the video:

1.  Early on the Javelin stopped the Russians cold, now they don't attempt large maneuver actions unless they absolutely pummel an area pre-strike with artillery.

2.  Ukraine has been very effective at combined arms.  Even through they don't have Air Superiority, they have used drones to coordinate fires in both TICs and interdiction.

3.  Small drones have changed warfare.  Hundreds of videos of drones dropping grenades AND being uses in a kamikaze roll to chase down individual soldiers...it is chilling to watch.  If someone added AI...

They have noted some gains by Russia in recent week which they attribute to the Ukrainians running short of long-range strike weapons and air defense.  If the Senate approves the aid package those systems will start to flow on Friday.

Also interesting to note the perceptions of those who voted against the aid, they think we are sending Ukraine pallets of cash which in fact $50B will flow into the U.S. Industrial Base creating jobs in 30 states.

[gearhog]

2 hours ago, Lawman said:

In this case you are quoting a literal Russian Psyop outlet.
 

This made me wonder if we also have any Psyop outlets. If so, what would they be?