March 2Mar 2 40 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said: Or, arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. You just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like you won the match. There are more interesting people to converse with here. Though you are occasionally amusing. Again. You have nothing to refute just insults and emotions.
March 2Mar 2 Please keep us updated, [mention=7998]SurelySerious[/mention] [mention=79687]Sua Sponte[/mention]. What a predicament. https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1896280128432623774Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business.
March 2Mar 2 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business. How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian?
March 2Mar 2 1 hour ago, SurelySerious said: Still all bullshit busy work. Taking more time away from subordinates reaping no gains. That’s bad business. thoughts and prayers
March 2Mar 2 How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian? I simply don’t care how long it would take, it’s still wasted man hours for no gain. Directed from someone (Musk) with no authority, to boot. Fraud, Waste, Abuse.
March 2Mar 2 3 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: I simply don’t care how long it would take, it’s still wasted man hours for no gain. Directed from someone (Musk) with no authority, to boot. Fraud, Waste, Abuse. So it’s “busy work” but you can’t tell me how long you think it will or should take? And I’m pretty sure the SecDef just directed it, did he not?
March 2Mar 2 So it’s “busy work” but you can’t tell me how long you think it will or should take? And I’m pretty sure the SecDef just directed it, did he not?It is by definition busy work, regardless of the amount of time. Musk even said it himself in a tweet. Just because it only takes X amount of time doesn’t make it right. You want to participate in Elon’s loyalty test (and I must assume you’re a DoD civilian then, because that’s what Hegseth said), by all means. Join the Party.
March 2Mar 2 2 minutes ago, SurelySerious said: It is by definition busy work, regardless of the amount of time. Musk even said it himself in a tweet. Just because it only takes X amount of time doesn’t make it right. You want to participate in Elon’s loyalty test (and I must assume you’re a DoD civilian then, because that’s what Hegseth said), by all means. Join the Party. Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? I already had to work with them once lol. To be fair, I supervised a few awesome government civilians. When it came to the others, many were average, and quite a few I would have loved to have had them quit. I have little doubt this task would take any of the awesome/average civilians more than 15 minutes. Again, SecDef is requiring it, so it’s most definitely now being required by the boss. Side note—the ones who were average at best were always the ones asking about time off awards and the “60 minute rule”.
March 2Mar 2 Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? Guess I was confused why you were so into an OPM mandate. Have fun with that retirement, then.
March 3Mar 3 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: How long do you think this would (or should) take the average DoD civilian? That depends. Do they work in a SCIF? Are they the UPC? Are they the SES in TRANSCOM? It’s also not a “pulse check” when they want it every Monday.
March 3Mar 3 1 hour ago, HeloDude said: Why would I have wanted to be a government civilian after doing 20+ years in the military? I already had to work with them once lol. To be fair, I supervised a few awesome government civilians. When it came to the others, many were average, and quite a few I would have loved to have had them quit. I have little doubt this task would take any of the awesome/average civilians more than 15 minutes. Again, SecDef is requiring it, so it’s most definitely now being required by the boss. Side note—the ones who were average at best were always the ones asking about time off awards and the “60 minute rule”. Most of the helicopters pilots I met while I was in the USAF, especially at Fairchild, were either retarded, deaf, or both. I did meet a few who weren't, but that was a rarity. Thanks for your subjective POV. Edited March 3Mar 3 by Sua Sponte
March 3Mar 3 I never worked for an exec, but I did receive taskers like this. Me saying "I don't work for the exec" and ignoring him would be stupid because clearly the exec was doing something on behalf of his boss, who was my boss's boss. I also find it more than a little funny that most of the people complaining about this have spent 100X more time complaining about it than just doing it. This is like listening to my kids complain for an hour about homework that only takes them 5 minutes once they stop fussing and just do it. This does not violate your oath of office and should not violate your morals, so stop whining, just do it, and move on with your life.
March 3Mar 3 3 hours ago, SurelySerious said: Commissioned officer bro, OPM can’t fire me. stunning and brave
March 3Mar 3 10 minutes ago, RASH said: State quals, or STFU Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network mobile app are you nsplayr's sock!? 🫢
March 3Mar 3 Wasting one minute of every civilian employees’ time costs a little over $1 million. 10 minutes per week costs the taxpayers over $10m per week. Maybe the manpower cuts will result in lower costs per minute. Maybe the waste from this activity will be worthwhile, but it’s not costless.
March 3Mar 3 58 minutes ago, HU&W said: Wasting one minute of every civilian employees’ time costs a little over $1 million. 10 minutes per week costs the taxpayers over $10m per week. Maybe the manpower cuts will result in lower costs per minute. Maybe the waste from this activity will be worthwhile, but it’s not costless. Implying that the government civilian workforce is working so thoroughly and efficiently that there is not 10 minutes per week in their schedule to add a simple repetitive task is quite the assumption. Some are. Most are not.
March 3Mar 3 6 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: Most of the helicopters pilots I met while I was in the USAF, especially at Fairchild, were either retarded, deaf, or both. I did meet a few who weren't, but that was a rarity. Thanks for your subjective POV. If that makes you feel better to say, then feel free to say it again.
March 3Mar 3 12 hours ago, HU&W said: Wasting one minute of every civilian employees’ time costs a little over $1 million. 10 minutes per week costs the taxpayers over $10m per week. Maybe the manpower cuts will result in lower costs per minute. Maybe the waste from this activity will be worthwhile, but it’s not costless. Assuming $125,000 per year as the average cost of a federal employee (which seems low with all the available benefits and potential retirements, only a ~4,200 reduction in the workforce would make up the $10M/week
March 3Mar 3 2 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: Assuming $125,000 per year as the average cost of a federal employee (which seems low with all the available benefits and potential retirements, only a ~4,200 reduction in the workforce would make up the $10M/week It’s lower than that, $106,382. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/01/07/what-the-data-says-about-federal-workers/
March 3Mar 3 On 2/28/2025 at 1:21 PM, Sua Sponte said: I was told that two of my GS-07s were going to be released today, so I told them Wednesday instead of waiting for them to receive a bullshit email from "The Agency" signed by someone who didn't even know them. Yesterday I was told that I was on a list to be released. Today I was told that the two GS-07s haven't received a release notice and neither have I, so we might not be released yet? Who the fuck knows what's going on. I'm not in the .gov world anymore, so I don't know what the messaging is. And it's hard to sift through everything out there on social media about the topic, because there is little differentiation between fact, hyperbole, and speculation. At first glance though, it really seems like your leadership is getting ahead of themselves here. Why are people being told "they're fired" before there is no-kidding paperwork in hand? All of this churn sounds like the fault of your direct leadership, and not DOGE, POTUS, etc. Edited March 3Mar 3 by Blue
March 3Mar 3 1 hour ago, Blue said: I'm not in the .gov world anymore, so I don't know what the messaging is. And it's hard to sift through everything out there on social media about the topic, because there is little differentiation between fact, hyperbole, and speculation. At first glance though, it really seems like your leadership is getting ahead of themselves here. Why are people being told "they're fired" before there is no-kidding paperwork in hand? All of this churn sounds like the fault of your direct leadership, and not DOGE, POTUS, etc. It’s not. They received a list to terminate those employees Friday. The a federal judge said OPM can only hire and fire employees that work in OPM and only agencies can hire and fire their own employees. I have a feeling that those employees, and myself, will be fired this week.
March 3Mar 3 3 hours ago, Sua Sponte said: It’s lower than that, $106,382. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/01/07/what-the-data-says-about-federal-workers/ 6 hours ago, Lord Ratner said: Assuming $125,000 per year as the average cost of a federal employee (which seems low with all the available benefits and potential retirements, only a ~4,200 reduction in the workforce would make up the $10M/week From the CBO: "Benefits also constituted a larger share of total compensation for federal workers (40 percent) than for workers in the private sector (30 percent)." https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60235 So $106,382 = Total Compensation x .60 Total compensation = $177,303 So I undershot the actual number by $50,000 🤣😂. My bad. So we really only need to lose 3k employees to make up the $10M "wasted" on this assignment.
March 3Mar 3 @Sua Sponte I know you, dude, and I know you're one of the good guys. I do sincerely hope that you aren't fired and caught up in this churn.
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