The Next President is...

[gearhog]

Today's' Press Briefing was wild. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope the media may actually pursue this.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1672314542150262805?s=20

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1672316269855485952?s=20

Edited June 23, 2023 by gearhog

[ClearedHot]

2 minutes ago, gearhog said:

Today's' Press Briefing was wild. Maybe there's a glimmer of hope the media may actually pursue this.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1672314542150262805?s=20

I am heartened that outlets like CNN actually published the transcript and are starting to ask tough questions. 

[Sim]

7 hours ago, Day Man said:

you understand how fake that "screenshot" is, correct?

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/22/hunter-biden-threatened-my-father-could-hold-a-grudge-in-extortive-message-to-chinese-associate-revealed-by-whistleblower/

 

O'really? 

 

And he also totally didn't deduct hookers on taxes. 

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/hunter-biden-deducted-payments-to-hooker-and-sex-club-from-his-taxes-whistleblower-says/

[Smokin]

On 6/21/2023 at 5:41 PM, nsplayr said:

Nah, I kinda figured I'd try to get my point across but that in the end no one would change their minds and I probably should just bang my head against the countertop instead. I was right to have that suspicion!

I'm truly beginning to view my entire ongoing participation in the forum here as not worth it. Why am I here debating with a bunch of people I've never met, who don't respect my opinions or share my values, and don't give a f anyways? It's a great question.

Frankly I don't know what I'm getting out of talking to all you smelly assholes that I can't get by just talking in person to my squadron homies. Politics, flying, AF bitching, etc., it all gets discussed on shift and I've got plenty of years in uniform left to enjoy that back & forth.

Good luck to you, have a great life.

Don't expect grown adults to significantly change their political views based on what someone posts on a message board.  If you really think you're going to change someone's mind, you have too high of expectations for yoursel.  You might get people to think about why they think a certain way and I think that is about as far as is reasonable to expect here.

Otherwise, just stick with the General Discussion thread and help the younger guys.  I started reading this and posting some questions over 20 years ago.  This can be a valuable resource and help when guys have questions that they are either too afraid to ask in person or simply don't know who to ask.  Don't quit because you didn't convince a bunch of people they were approaching political problems from the wrong viewpoint in an online discussion board.  That's about as realistic as picking political fights on facecrack thinking you're actually going to change someone's mind.

[Day Man]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/22/hunter-biden-threatened-my-father-could-hold-a-grudge-in-extortive-message-to-chinese-associate-revealed-by-whistleblower/

O'really? 

show me a whatsapp screenshot that looks like that, and I'll transfer $69 to the online school that tried to teach you how to read.

[pawnman]

15 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

 

How about we hear about the crimes of BOTH families.  If true then send them ALL to prison...in the same cell for all I care. 

Hey, you and Nsplayer finally agree on something! 

[Sim]

10 hours ago, Day Man said:

show me a whatsapp screenshot that looks like that, and I'll transfer $69 to the online school that tried to teach you how to read.

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/hunter-bidens-lawyer-responds-to-bombshell-texts-my-client-was-too-doped-up-on-crack-to-be-trusted/

 

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The attorney, Chris Clark, said Hunter Biden’s "verifiable words or actions" took place "in the midst of a horrible addiction" and therefore have "no connection to anyone in his family." The statement is an apparent reference to a July 30, 2017, text message Hunter Biden sent to an official with the Chinese energy conglomerate CEFC China Energy threatening that he and then-former vice president Joe Biden would come down on him with their full weight if he did not fulfill his "commitment."

 

> Texts are fake

> His own attorney says they are real

> ...69$? 

[tac airlifter]

15 hours ago, Day Man said:

show me a whatsapp screenshot that looks like that, and I'll transfer $69 to the online school that tried to teach you how to read.

The screenshot is a media created image based on transcribed texts, not screenshots of the texts.  It’s a common practice. Spoiler alert- they’re the same thing, we just don’t see the custom meth/dick background undoubtedly on Hunters WhatsApp account.

Do you really not know that?

For those not following the numerous Biden corruption scandals I’ll summarize some facts that are not in dispute:

1. Hunter Biden laptop is real and the FBI has known this since 2019, they just let you think it was Russian disinformation.  It provides a host of records (which we care about) along with thousands of incriminating images of drug use and prostitutes (which no one cares about).

2. Those records helped refine other investigations, which show industrial scale tax fraud by Hunter along with serious questions for Joe.

3. investigators have linked dates Joe traveled with Hunter, to texts of Hunter meeting with locals, to millions of dollars being funneled directly to multiple Biden family members using shell companies and circuitous banking paths… methods that have no legitimate explanation and trigger Treasury department suspicious activity reports.  Hundreds of them.  And the Biden’s have no business to explain the payments.

4.  Many texts mention Hunter keeping a portion of monies for “the big guy” who eye witnesses involved in these business dealings have named Joe Biden himself.  Hunter and Joe shared a bank account at one point during these dealings.

5. we now have additional texts where Hunter literally tells Chinese communists to pay up now or my dad, who is sitting next to me, will retaliate.  The FBI fought to keep you from knowing all this.  After that text was sent the Chinese communist party, through wholly owned subsidiaries, sent money to Hunter.

I understand Partisanship, and we all see things from our own perspective. I thought the Trump-Russia thing was a hoax, and it was, but I was fine with the investigation, even though it significantly impacted his presidency.  

This case appears different to me. I cannot see anything except a smoking gun of soliciting bribes and being corrupt by our current president.  The one piece that isn’t completely solid (to me, knowing nothing except what I read) is what policy implications were purchased with this money.  It is provable that “access to Joe” was bought, but so what?  The house investigators say they’re working to tighten up this piece.  There are circumstantial things they’ve released, but it needs to be more convincing.

 But yes, Trump is bad and orange and lacks tact.

Edited June 24, 2023 by tac airlifter

[BashiChuni]

which leads to the next question...why is the media focusing on the obvious hunter/joe corruption story NOW?

the friday WH press conference was WILD with mainstream reporters constantly asking previously "forbidden" questions about corruption.

so why are they being let off the leash now? because we all know the mainstream press is controlled and not independent.

i think joe biden has played the useful idiot for the democratic party/deep state and his usefulness is up.

[ClearedHot]

53 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

which leads to the next question...why is the media focusing on the obvious hunter/joe corruption story NOW?

the friday WH press conference was WILD with mainstream reporters constantly asking previously "forbidden" questions about corruption.

so why are they being let off the leash now? because we all know the mainstream press is controlled and not independent.

i think joe biden has played the useful idiot for the democratic party/deep state and his usefulness is up.

Because the Liberals control mainstream media and just like they did with the laptop, they are going to kick as much dirt as they can over the story to protect uncle Joe...retaining power is that important.  They same thing happens on this forum, folks are happy to bury their heads in the sand or call it fake rather than contemplate the implications of it being real.  Seriously, why wouldn't a person who has sworn an oath the Constitution, regardless of political ideology, at least want to know if the President is a criminal like his crackhead son. 

Even more details are being put together Hunter Biden-linked account received $5 million days after threatening messages: 'Sitting here with my father"

On Aug. 4, 2017, Chinese firm CEFC Infrastructure Investment wired $100,000 to Hunter Biden’s law firm Owasco, according to a 2020 report published by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Then, days later on Aug. 8, 2017, CEFC Infrastructure Investment sent $5 million to Hudson West III, a firm Hunter Biden opened with Chinese associates.

I guess the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee is more Russian disinformation.

[Lord Ratner]

8 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

which leads to the next question...why is the media focusing on the obvious hunter/joe corruption story NOW?

the friday WH press conference was WILD with mainstream reporters constantly asking previously "forbidden" questions about corruption.

so why are they being let off the leash now? because we all know the mainstream press is controlled and not independent.

i think joe biden has played the useful idiot for the democratic party/deep state and his usefulness is up.

That's what I've been wondering. Maybe the party has decided who they want to run against Desantis or Trump, and it ain't Joe. I suspect Newsom will be working behind the scenes to get this into the news, if it's as true as it seems to be.

[Guest nsplayr]

15 hours ago, pawnman said:

Hey, you and Nsplayer finally agree on something! 

As you can see in my signature block, it's not the first time! We also agreed on something on July 11th, 2011 😅

[dream big]

I say we break out the Hunter Biden story to its own thread. As much as I’d like to see that scum answer for his misdoings, I’m much more interested in the usual banter and who is currently challenging Sleepy!

[Biff_T]

21 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Seriously, why wouldn't a person who has sworn an oath the Constitution, regardless of political ideology, at least want to know if the President is a criminal like his crackhead son. 

Crackhead is a little harsh… to crackheads lol.    Hunter is just a child, why can’t we just leave him alone?   Why isn’t Al Sharpton up in arms about another privileged white guy (Biden, Hunter or Joe it doesn’t matter which one) is getting off without any jail time, when there are over 100,000 black brothers locked up for less.  

[ClearedHot]

Can we all agree the next dude shouldn't be this guy.

[ClearedHot]

Can someone please file a the Silver Alert and take this idiot to the hospital.

 

Some incredible NBC polls just out:

Two-thirds (68%) of voters fear Biden lacks mental, physical health to be president

3 out of every 4 Americans think Country going in the wrong direction

[brabus]

Yet the recent Trump indictments have only increased his standing in the GOP polls. Just as the Dems want. Trump is the most likely to lose against the Dems, why is it so difficult for conservatives to see that!?

[Biff_T]

21 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Can we all agree the next dude shouldn't be this guy.

Looks like he's trying to smuggle a cat in his underpants. 

[Guest nsplayr]

5 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Some incredible NBC polls just out:

Two-thirds (68%) of voters fear Biden lacks mental, physical health to be president

3 out of every 4 Americans think Country going in the wrong direction

Yea, pretty incredibly...normal!

With today's levels of polarization & general dissatisfaction, it's par for the course. Here's the running approval rating of every recent President at this stage in his presidency. If you didn't already know the results of their re-elect efforts, could you look at these graphs and tell who was reelected and who wasn't? Maybe, but maybe not!

• Trump - not reelected, decently close, Biden numbers are nearly identical, underperforming by half a point
• Obama - reelected, decently close, Biden underperforming by 4.5 points
• GWB - reelcted, decently close, Biden underperforming by 20 points
• Clinton - reelcted, not that close (Perot a factor), Biden underperforming by 4.5 points
• GHWB - not reelected, sorta close (Perot a factor), Biden underperforming by 28 points
• Reagan - reelcted, massive landslide, Biden numbers are nearly identical, underperforming by 2 points

So yea...pretty hard to say this far out!

He's underrunning everyone until you get back to Carter, so that's not great, but very similar numbers to Trump who lost close yet also Reagan who won in a massive 49-state landslide, so a lot can happen obviously. GHWB was massively popular at this point and he lost. GWB was way above water and won, but it ended up being pretty close, etc.

The GOP nominee will matter a lot, to state the obvious. In general every sitting President is the favorite for reelect, and if it's a rerun of someone he beat previously, even more so. If the opponent nominee is someone new & dynamic (see Bill Clinton) I'd put that person as the slight favorite, pending real world events and the actual campaign.

[ClearedHot]

28 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Yea, pretty incredibly...normal!

Ahhh no.  You are mixing approval rating with 68% of people thinking Biden is not mentally capable, HUGE freaking difference.

[HeloDude]

13 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

Ahhh no.  You are mixing approval rating with 68% of people thinking Biden is not mentally capable, HUGE freaking difference.

You beat me to it.  Nsplayr did one of his usual plays (no pun intended)—he tweaks his response just enough to suggest you’re wrong, but keeps it close enough that to the untrained eye it looks legit.  

[Guest nsplayr]

4 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Ahhh no.  You are mixing approval rating with 68% of people thinking Biden is not mentally capable, HUGE freaking difference.

Sure, being perceived as too old and feeble to serve in the office you're running for isn't ideal. I would advise candidates to not get that reputation lol. Memo to Dianne Feinstein - retire you old hag!

I for one also think Biden is older than is ideal for such an important job, but we/he shit the bed picking Harris as the VP and based on her weakness, Uncle Joe has to let it ride one last time. But I will be voting for him over the likely Republican candidates, although y'all could surprise me and nominate someone great and with crossover appeal to Dems, but the way things look right now, I highly, highly doubt that will happen.

You go to war with the army you have, as one asshole once said. If Whitmer or Warnock or Buttigieg or Polis or Klobuchar wants to run and Biden bows out, freaking sign me up, I'll be working the phone banks when I'm not on orders. But I can't support Harris first and foremost because she won't win, so we're kinda stuck. I was cheekily in favor of a bank-shot move of appoint Harris to SCOTUS rather than Kentanji-Brown and put someone more politically viable in VP slot, but those kind House of Cards moves don't usually work out IRL.

BL: if the next election is perceived by the voting public as a referendum on Biden, he'll probably lose. If it's seen as a choice between Biden and Trump/DeSantis/etc., he is probably favored to win as an incumbent.

People can think of a candidate whatever they will, when there are two names on the ballot the only thing you have to do is get more votes than the other guy. Lots of people thought Trump was a huge a-hole in 2016 but also hated Clinton, and he won the voters who disliked both candidates and thus the election. He understood that as a candidate and spent more time making people hate her than trying to get moderates to love him and it worked.

As re-elect campaigns go, 2012 Obama successfully made it a choice between himself and Romney. Same with 2004 Bush and Kerry. 2020 was a referendum on Trump more so than everyone head-over-heels loving Biden, and he lost.

Those are the historical races most relevant to 2024, although we haven't had a back-to-back exact re-run since 1956 so there are some different dynamics there than 2004, 2012 or 2020.

Edited June 26, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

14 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Sure, being perceived as too old and feeble to serve in the office you're running for isn't ideal. I would advise candidates to not get that reputation lol. Memo to Dianne Feinstein - retire you old hag!

"Isn't ideal"...bro, with spin like that and after the asswhooping the mainstream press put on KJP then Kirby during the press breifing today, you might want to apply for the Press Secretary job.  Both flat out refused to address the questions and Kirby after swooping in to save KJP, got so flustered he rage quit the press conference...talk about a bad optic.

I honestly think the mainstream press has decided to exit Joe stage right.  The are actually asking tough questions and dedicating actual airtime to discuss the investigation.  It sure looks like they are prepping him for an offramp so crazy Newsome

Combine above with the steady drip of details, and those details are not coming from Foxnews.  I was watching the Sky News from Australia today (I have a work trip coming up), when the news broke that they traced the financial records and discovered Hunter bought his dad a burner phone that Joe used WHILE HE WAS THE VP.  Hunter paid $300 a month for the ATT phone and purchased burner phone apps that allowed his to use one phone to create new/fake numbers for phone calls.  As always....follow the money!

Are you ready to acknowledge a Special Counsel should at least look and see if Joe is in fact the Big Guy and any wrongdoing occurred while he was VP?

[Guest nsplayr]

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

"Isn't ideal"...bro, with spin like that and after the asswhooping the mainstream press put on KJP then Kirby during the press breifing today, you might want to apply for the Press Secretary job.

Thank you, I'll consider it after I get that sweet, sweet TAFMS check 😂 Actually no, because mouthpiece I mean press secretary is a terrible, thankless job and I've already been the mouthpiece at SERE with predictable results ::slap!:: 

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I honestly think the mainstream press has decided to exit Joe stage right.  The are actually asking tough questions and dedicating actual airtime to discuss the investigation.  It sure looks like they are prepping him for an offramp so crazy Newsome

I think you trailed off there, need to up the dose the Geritol again 🥃 

But I think I know where you were going, and I just don't think that's likely. I also think I know Dem politics better than most around here, but then again I've been wrong once or twice before and I'm open to it happening again!

If Diamond Joe steps down, Harris hand waive hand waive disappears and somehow Newsome of all people is the 2024 Dem nominee, I'll send ya a bottle of something decent. Care to make a bet on it being Biden? You certainly have more money to blow on stupid bets than I do!

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

I was watching the Sky News from Australia today...

Well I spend 0.0 minutes watching cable news per week on average, so you'd have to tell me. Then again, bringing up Sky News as something fundamentally different than Fox News when it was also started by Rupert Murdoch...lol ok.

3 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Are you ready to acknowledge a Special Counsel should at least look and see if Joe is in fact the Big Guy and any wrongdoing occurred while he was VP?

If the facts support that then sure, investigate away! Investigating a sitting President is harder than a typical case, but certainly not without recent precedent!

I can't say this enough times, if y'all want a broad prosecution of white collar, politically connected criminals: Your. Terms. Are. Acceptable.

Edited June 27, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

It is a sweet irony when one mocks a typo with two of their own.  I'm old, what's your excuse?  Perhaps it is you that needs the meds...just sayin.  🥃

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

If Diamond Joe steps down, Harris hand waive hand waive disappears

I trailed off and you are repeating.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

If the facts support than then sure, investigate away!

You ok bro?  You are starting to sound like your boy Diamond Joe with the mumbling.