HU&W Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Initial reporting says 10 shot (8 civilians and 2 police) and 3 shooters. Does not say any are fatal. http://www.washingto...b549_story.html Edited September 16, 2013 by HU&W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleRattle Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Restart gun control/assault weapons ban debates in 3, 2, 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawnman Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 Initial reporting says 10 shot (8 civilians and 2 police) and 3 shooters. Does not say any are fatal. http://www.washingto...b549_story.html The update now says 4 killed, 8 injured, and one shooter "down" (it isn't specified whether he was taken into custody or shot). Here's hoping for a swift resolution without any more deaths or injuries to the folks working the Naval Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 New reports say up to 12 killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFRESH Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 A good friend of mine is in the building, says they have one shooter down and one still barricaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Apparently he was a badass terrorist hunter: "It has also been revealed he was awarded the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the National Defense Service Medal prior to his discharge in January 2011." They have a block just past the first set of photos that says "Honored for his part in the War on Terror" and lists the criteria for the GWOT and NDSM. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421980/REVEALED-Gunman-34-murdered-TWELVE-injured-15-Washington-Navy-Yard-rampage-decorated-petty-officer-left-military-2011-previous-gun-charge.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Hmmm...Hassan had those same medals. But yet he was was 'supporting' the fight against the Global War on Terrorism. I'm fairly confident this incident does little to further the gun control debate on the national level. The Presient isn't doing so well right now and I don't think losing another battle on guns helps his approval numbers. Besides, this incident, like the shootings in Chicago, doesn't really help the left's narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah I know I was making more a point about idiot journalists that write about stuff they don't have the slightest clue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmacwc Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Restart gun control/assault weapons ban debates in 3, 2, 1... It's DC, can't get much more control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Restart gun control/assault weapons ban debates in 3, 2, 1... If this is your first reaction to this incident, your prioties as a human being suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 If this is your first reaction to this incident, your prioties as a human being suck. ...like Sen Feinstein. I hear ya man. And I know you're not a supporter of her. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Supposedly the shooter came in with a shotgun and grabbed the 9 and AR off guards he killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Supposedly the shooter came in with a shotgun and grabbed the 9 and AR off guards he killed. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeHoler Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcj Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) This sucks in so many ways. When the "how the hell could this have happened" discussion starts, I am guessing it'll start off with installation security in general and then go to how this guy was hired by a H-P subcontractor doing NMCI work, with CAC access and reportedly a secret security clearance, despite a general discharge from the USNR for "a pattern of misconduct" and two firearm related arrests (the latter of which contributed to the general discharge). And how he got into the building with a shotgun (one report is that while all of the external entrances to W-197 had armed security, there is an unmanned door card-accessible door from the garage). RIP to these patriots Sources: http://www.washingto...fec8_story.html http://www.washingto...ry.html?hpid=z4 http://www.washingto...log-entry-18008 Edited September 17, 2013 by jcj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Confirmed-Shooter-at-Navy-Yard-One-Person-Shot-223897891.html Thanks. It will be interesting to see if this is the final word on how he got the weopans, and if it is, how dumb it will make the anti-gun crowd look...again. On a related note, it never ceases to amaze me that the military 'trusts' our officers and NCO's so much...just not enough to allow us to be armed while on base at home. I'm sure another Active Shooter CBT will solve everything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catbox Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 MSNBC is on here at work, I'm half paying attention and could have sworn I just heard some gun control advocate say that this shooting confirms that gun control is the only answer because everyone on a Navy base would have been armed and they didn't take down the shooter. Anyone see or hear this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunes Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Supposedly the shooter came in with a shotgun and grabbed the 9 and AR off guards he killed. Unfortunately this fact will be over looked by the msm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleRattle Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 If this is your first reaction to this incident, your prioties as a human being suck. As someone who works on a base very close to the Navy Yard and was on lockdown all day, I can assure you this was not my first reaction. It was just my first reaction to share on BO. I'm definitely thinking about the victims and their families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeloDude Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It's always those damn tea-party types... <sarcasm> http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/17/Navy-Yard-Shooter-friend-Describes%20Alexis-as-liberal-Obama-fan Oh well, still provides an excuse for the liberals to argue that we need more tyranny and less freedom and liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clouseau Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The Daily Show take on the bravo sierra reporting of this incident. http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/18/jon-stewart-takes-down-cnn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waveshaper Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The Daily Show take on the bravo sierra reporting of this incident. http://nation.foxnew...-takes-down-cnn Journalist Guide to Firearms ID. http://youviewed.com/2013/09/17/journalists-guide-to-firearms-identification/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaddebate Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 (edited) DOD Press Briefing SECDEF HAGEL: First, I directed a review of physical security and access procedures at all DOD installations worldwide. The highest responsibility leaders have is to take care of their people, and our people deserve safe and secure workplaces wherever they are. Second, Deputy Secretary Carter will also lead a review of DOD's practices and procedures for granting and renewing security clearances, including those held by contractors. This review will be closely coordinated with other federal agencies currently examining these procedures, including the DNI and OMB. I've also directed that an independent panel be established. This independent panel will conduct its own assessment of security at DOD facilities and our security clearance procedures and practices. The panel's work will strengthen Secretary Carter's efforts, and they will provide their findings directly to me. [...] Q: Do you believe that the security clearance procedures and investigations are not rigorous enough or that, for the lower- level security clearances, that that 10-year timeframe may be too long? [...] SECDEF HAGEL: Well, on your question regarding timeframes on security clearances and the entire specifics and components of security clearances, timeframe, the depth of the clearance, kind of clearance, access different clearances give individuals, we're going to look at all that. [...] Q: Why not break the mold and get involved in [...] the public debate in this country about gun violence? [...] SECDEF HAGEL: [...] my role is secretary of defense. I'm not involved in domestic policy issues. That's not my role; that's not my responsibility. Edited September 19, 2013 by deaddebate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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