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ACSC might actually be the best analogy yet to big blue's, an apparently Congress' approach... 'I don't care what the facts are, I don't care about getting to the bottom of the cause, I don't really want to even be talking about this. What is the absolute fastest way to make it look like I care, make it look like I did my research, but really just get a passing grade so I can move on.'

I don't blame those dudes for voicing their opinions, but they probably could have framed the argument better. If money doesn't matter then why is the bonus thread on page 139? If money doesn't matter, then why do all the airline guys talk about how much money they can make and all the AD guys ease drop whenever the conversation comes up?

Or maybe no one is talking about it because the AF has zero credibility for things like this. I'll believe it when I see it on my LES and it's more than a $50 pay jump.

Shooter's name is Monalisa... that should be enough said as to why no one figured out this was a bad idea.

A 30 mph crosswind gust could cause a runway departure. If the grass on the side of the runway wasn't level then that would cause the far side to dip while the crosswinds lifted the other wing. The wind could then continue to lift the raised wing further and maybe flip it. Not saying this is what happened, we'll hear it from the AIB/SIB, but the theory is possible.

It'd take a lot more than that for some hurt feelings around here. The single engine thing is a common jab from other platforms, but generally over-rated as an actual problem. If you go back and look at all the Viper Class A's in the last decade, very few of them would have turned out any different with a second engine. Even with engine issues on two engine fighters, if one engine shells itself and starts throwing blades, that probably isn't good for the other engine sitting a few feet away. Just reference the F-18 crash in San Diego a few years ago. One bad engine soon led to no engines.

F-16's make up almost half of the Air Force's total fighter inventory, just might be a factor in accident numbers.

Did he do a victory roll over the carrier prior to landing?

It makes sense to the AF because the AF used that as an additional carrot to get guys to take the early signup. If a guy was sure he was staying in, he gets money as soon as his commitment is up (could be big difference if he graduated UPT early in the FY). Without the carrot that you could get the larger amount if the amount increased during your normal year, many guys last year wouldn't have taken the early option on rumors of bigger money next year. The AF wants guys to sign early as it provides them predictability and keeps them from starting to think about other options (generally bad for the AF these days). Based on both parties getting something out of the deal, it makes sense. That is, until the AF bends the guys over... How many guys do you think are going to do the early sign up this year now that this is public?

I just read a story about that. I'd consider having a lawyer look over the verbiage and see if that's legit. When I looked at the early eligible option when on active duty, it didn't say anything about extending your ADSC. Total horseshit like that is why guys are leaving. Telling about some of the AF leadership's true colors when they hide stuff like that in something that is supposed to increase retention. Is the AF still confused as to why dudes are punching right and left?

I agree that if you do some serious work, you can beat 2.5%. For example, one of the AMEX cards gives you 5% for grocery stores. I've heard of guys going and buying gift cards at grocery stores for all their other shopping to max that out. I'd just worry I'd lose one and then would lose more than the money I made. But as the previous poster alluded to, I only consider it savings if it actually saved me money. If I wouldn't have bought it or paid that much for it, it's not a savings for me. $220 for 3 breakfasts? $16K for a 9 hr flight? Better be some really personal 'service' inside the first class suite for that price. Not a chance I'd pay anywhere near that money, so I wouldn't have "saved" $16K. Finally, I have more than 200K ultimate reward points and I only spent $8K total on two cards to get them. I'm approaching 300K Marriott rewards points and after the initial $4K in spending on that card, I only use the Marriott card at Marriott properties (and since I'm Platinum, I'd get those breakfasts free also). The rest of my spending goes on my 2.5% card. To each their own, I just don't see those numbers as realistic savings.

For what its worth, realize that the biggest benefits to having these cards come simply by having them. For day to day spending, other than a bonus category, the USAA 2.5% cash back card is pretty much impossible to beat. I have the better part of a dozen credit cards at a given time and the USAA is my go-to as I haven't found anything else to beat 2.5%.

I keep hearing guys say, "it's not about the money" but that's a load of bull. It may not ALL be about the money, but at some point, money talks. The AF should find solutions to most of the laundry list of reasons guys get out, but that is going to take years. Make the bonus jaw-dropping and you'll keep enough guys in to buy time to figure out how to fix the rest. I'd bet most of the guys getting hired by the majors right now are doing it for two reasons, money and work schedule. If the AF could figure out either (or both ideally), the exodus would be far more manageable.

It has been released, emailed to me so not sure where it is posted. Looks fairly similar to last year in terms of amounts and contract years. Dollar amounts went up $5K in most cases but added a few different tiers from what I remember from last years. No re-upping to the new amount if you're already under contract.

This line of logic on behalf of the airlines is bull. Compare a list of guys on long term mil-leave to guys on long term medical leave and tell me that the military leave is what is really breaking their system. Last I heard from a Delta pilot, the ratio of long term sick leave to long term mil leave was in the ballpark of 10:1. The airlines may complain about guys 'abusing' USERRA, but United sure didn't seem too heartbroken about using bankruptcy court to kill fixed pensions they should still be paying out today. If the shoe were on the other foot, the company would use every power the law gave them to maximize their profit. Why is it somehow wrong when employees do the same thing?

Except discrimination laws... This entire meeting baffles my mind. I don't see how either side can legally influence the other to do anything. If the Air Force leaders somehow convince the airlines to stop military hiring, that is illegal discrimination. If the Air Force stops giving long term orders to guard/reserve guys employed by the airlines, that is also discrimination. The only thing is the airlines could do is hire a representative number of military guys to better represent the total applicant pool. But even that would only slow the hiring of military pilots temporarily. The one thing this does accomplish is prove to guys looking to get out that big Air Force is not looking out for them and instead is actively trying to remove post-military employment opportunities.

I agree that you need to elevate this very high very fast. A congressman (is he still around here?) who cares about actually helping troops needs to look into BS like this. At least you never actually got paid twice. Had you been paid twice, you would have had the taxes withheld, then the DFAS debt would have been the full pre-tax amount. Talk about a nice little kick in the junk. Not only does that cause additional work to fix someone else's mistake, you literally have to pay for it too. And if they don't get the correct amount on your W-2, or they catch it after taxes are filed, too bad. I got double paid for a day when I switched types of guard orders. Didn't notice it at the time because it was a single day and they had already messed up multiple other things on my pay. DFAS, or someone, caught it in April the following year and almost sent my debt to a collections agency because I was only notified by mail and was TDY at the time. Not a huge amount of money, but insulting that I had to pay taxes and interest on someone else's mistake.

This is clearly a partisan hit piece. The "ethics lawyer" "supported Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton" If his support of Clinton was strong enough to be mentioned in an article, his "ethics" view is probably tainted. Oh the irony. "...Flynn violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. That clause prohibits retired military personnel from accepting a foreign-source payment without prior permission." Except the actual Constitution says "No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state." He retired from the military, left the DIA in 2014, and was paid by a Russian owned news agency to make a speech in 2015. I would be interested how anyone can make the mental leap that a military retiree, regardless of rank is "holding any office of profit or trust". Would be interesting to see the same scrutiny applied to senior Democratic officials (*cough* Clinton) who are basically in the same 'retired' status after serving a single day in Congress. Based on this line of logic, no retired military pilot can fly for a foreign owned airline or even work for a company that is partially owned by a government. The Pandora's box this opens would be absurd.

The guys who signed as early eligible, or whatever the exact term was, should be able to update to the new amount from what I remember of the wording. If you were not that early eligible, I think you're stuck unless they change the verbiage in the new one.

Has any current pilot here looked at allergy shots or know a pilot who got allergy shots? Just curious as to how difficult the waiver would be. Seems to me that it would be better to make pilots relatively immune to their allergy rather than treat with meds. I don't have a day to day problem, but when the pollen flares up it would be nice to have my immune system conditioned to ignore it.

If that doesn't work, make it readily apparent to him that a 1 bedroom TLF isn't enough. Baby crying? Take him to the lobby. Kids going crazy for being pent up? I think the lobby would make a great playground. As soon as the manager takes a break, put the baby to sleep in his office and tell him that you consider the hallway to be an "suitable" office for him.

Except that the two pilot (or one pilot and one FA during a piss break) system in the US is designed to prevent a Germanwings style incident. I'd be interested if NASA did this on their own or if any legacy carriers actually want this. Technically possible and commercially desirable are two completely different things.

Why do we keep talking about 120 day deployments? When I signed up, 90 days was the normal AEF and I'm not that old. Transportation to/from deployment costs a whole lot less than replacing people who get out. Even the spin up argument doesn't make sense with more numerous but shorter deployments. If I'm in Afghanistan 3 months out of every 15, how much spin-up do I really need? And 3 months is far more tolerable to my family. Every additional month is like a year to a little kid who can't remember what Daddy looks like other than on a computer screen.

A voluntary recall could get some guys back for an assignment if the AF did it right. If a dude who is just finishing probation at an airline got an offer of his choice of bases, it could work out. Wouldn't mess up his career at an airline unless he overstayed his 5 years mil leave. If they offered in writing a 3 year assignment with only a 3 year ADSC to a fighter squadron in Europe with no individual non-vol TDYs (only deploy when the squadron deploys), they'd get some guys for sure and the gaining squadrons would be better for it. Imagine how much better of a squadron it could be if the SQ/DO or SQ/CC honestly didn't give a single thought to his career after that job? Problem is, the AF will just pork it away and has show itself to not be trustworthy as an organization.

M9 qualification doesn't mean much. My second time taking the M9 class, the instructor had the empty weapons sitting with the chamber open on the tables in front of us. Half an hour into the class, he instructed everyone to check that the chamber was empty, release the slide, aim it at him, and pull the trigger repeatedly. I thought it was a trap and never closed the slide only to watch dumbfounded as everyone else in the class blindly followed his instructions. I completely expected him to flip his shit and kick everyone out, but to my surprise, he walked around critiquing holds and such. Good to hear some base commanders are actually allowing CC. I fully expect that until the DOD makes it mandatory, most base commanders will pay lip service saying that the plan is 'under review' and such only to never do anything.