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Grandfather = "Greatest Generation. I'm good...

Some guy named Hagel disagrees with your assessment.

My specific question has been answered; a chaplain can walk if asked to do something against his or her faith. I did not know that. But my initial point was what happens when those who don't cotton to such and are ordered to do things against their personal religious or moral beliefs? So for the specific UCMJ article - the number I don't know - but "failure to obey" is my point. Amn Bill and George want to get married. Only chaplain is Father Maloney, a Catholic and he says "sorry, I can't." Amn Bill and George go to the wing commander and say they are being denied their right (now true due to the ruling). Could/can wing commander then order Chaplain Maloney to perform the service since it is his, Maloney's duty, to provide spiritual guidance and comfort to all airman/families who request such? Apparently, the answer is 'no.' My main point is for those that will have to actually deal with situations like this and way too many others that this and other recent changes in our military, never mind society, are going to have to handle. And handle flawlessly, lest the politically correct gods smite thee. But I learned something as well.

Baseops is educational as well as featuring breasts...

I have asked a very specific question: Can a chaplain whose faith prohibits him or her from conducting a marriage ceremony for a gay couple be forced to under threat of UCMJ?

Better if I say it appears that one belief system is being substituted for another? The exact argument made to get to this point?

Accept or be considered homophobic and subject to military sanctions. Your views/opinions/beliefs are secondary to theirs. Seems fair...

Can Father Maloney be compelled to perform his duty to marry given the federal law and UCMJ? If he refueses, is he disobeying a direct order? That's the bottom line - not slipping the problem under the rug by having Chaplain Fabulous do it since he has no compunction against it and we all know that most leadership simply wants a problem, any problem, to go away or be delayed until it is not on their watch - can a uniformed religious provider refuse such offerings (not sure of the correct word - services?) since his/her primary mission is to minister to those wanting such. Y'all have fun with that and trying to keep standards. The 'next step' arguments are many - why do I have to be married to get those benefits (I am aware of common law marriages)? And many more surpises await in Pandora's fabulous box (no sts).

I wonder if we, the military, will enjoy the financial savings caused by the dissolution of the Chaplain Corps? Chaplains are supposed to minister - to include marry - to all servicemembers wanting such. Now if Father (Capt) Joe Maloney can't marry Amn Bill and SrA George due to his religious convictions, is he then subject to UCMJ? How will leadership - uniformed and civilian - tackle this one?

https://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1150235 Who weeps for them?

This.

Nope, managed to find my liquor cabinet however. Can't wait until a wing commander's 'rainbow tail' is actually that...

https://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/23/Gay-Man-Becomes-Acting-Secretary-Of-The-Air-Force Well,that's just fukcing fabulous. A guy who served knowing he was breaking the rules is now the boss. This is what we reward and what we have become. I am ashamed of my service.

Elections have consequences or stupid should hurt. Either way, good for them. https://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/usa-guns-idUSL2N0EW1M820130620?feedType=RSS&feedName=industrialsSector&rpc=43

Toss up whether this should go in this or the History Friday thread, but as it's a movie, I chose here: Command Decision A 1948 movie based upon a Broadway play of the same name (remarkable to think about this being a Broadway hit vs. today's all gay, all the time shows). Some hokey special effects (ok, really crappy) dealing with damaged B-17s, but some great war footage of hundreds of bombers in contrails, crews getting briefed, loading up, etc. And the dialogue, particularly that about interservice bickering, fighting for resources, old guys lamenting about young uns not knowing what is important, and about concentrating on actually fighting a war vs. careerism, is terrific.

Not bad for a constitutional lawyer and commander in chief. You'd think somebody might have briefed him on UCMJ. He has a track record of such 'politically popular' comment despite what it might do to the actual legal proceeding - Cambridge cops v. the professor (and the 'beer summit'), Treyvon Martin ("could've been my son" when the 1/2 white/1/2 hispanic Zimmerman could've been as well. But no lawyer would ever argue that, would he?). https://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/305745-report-judge-rules-obama-comments-on-sex-assault-unlawful-command-influence Funny how he can't comment on other on-going investigations that involve him or his administration.

The Borg exist and flourish. The system is, therefore the system must work.

Like promotes like.

And yet essentially the same system is reborn itself every generation. Why is that? Like promotes like for the most part.

Cool story, bro: a long time ago on an island far away: 21 I/APZ for major - 11 F-15 drivers, 2 KC-135 pilots, 1 E-3 pilot, 1 E-3 nav, 3 E-3 ABMs, 1 ground ABM, 1 CE, 1 Contracting, 1 other non-rated/don't remember. 11 DPs were given to 11 F-15 drivers including one with a DUI picked up in that assignment The E-3 pilot was a Flt/CC, one of the E-3 ABMs was Chief of Current Ops in OSS, another in the squadron. The ground ABM was DO of a GSU flight (really a small squadron). Unknown responsibilities of the KC- guys or the non-rated guys. E-3 folks were O for 5, as was the ground ABM'er. Unknown about the KC-135 guys or the non-rated. After a long, painful, never ever believe in the Air Force IG system because they aren't impartial, turns out ALL the PRFs were given to the 3 Eagle SQ/CCs prior to the WG/CC and some were 'dumbed' down. It wasn't just one guy who got screwed but an entire base/year group. Final tally was two of those now O-6-select Eagle guys 'retired' in the middle of AWC, the former WG/CC was found responsible for 3 of 5 findings by the IG and directed to write a letter of apology to the complaintent. As he was a two-star by then, it was a bit awkward to run into him in the Pentagon. But he really suffered by getting his third star. And Big Blue's solution to the 10 folks who were screwed by the actions of others doing something despicble? "You can apply to the Board of Corrections..." Not relook at the entire group, but each could fend for him/herself. As some years had now passed, most separated and built their lives without the uniform. And this is just one more story. This thread, each of our experiences if filled with similar. Yeah, it's a good system...

Liquid, I don't know who you are or your rank. I hope you are in there fighting the good fight and have been taking care of your people while trying to make the USAF a better place. I hope, but I don't know. What I do know is that you aren't winning. You like the 'system' for the most part because you have, apparently, done well in it. Like tends to like. But by the anecdotal evidence presented on page after page here, and empirical evidence on what promotion boards consider - AAD, race, gender, etc, etc, etc, - compared to what we are taught as professionals as to what is important - technical/job proficiency, growing juniors, etc, etc, etc, - the system isn't very good. Contrary to some of those views here, this isn't a recent thing. Big Blue has been this way since 1947. Before that, as part of Big Green, it was just as fcuked up. But don't say it's good and getting better.

All of the above, but ESPECIALLY this.

Bra-fcukin'-vo!

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I had my IT guys check this site and this thread in particular. You can expect to be hearing from the IRS soon...